The threat reduction is very good. Not quite as substantial as the innervate change, but still rather large in terms of the long-term potential of the class as an effective raid slot when utilizing the damage component of feral in some capacity.
I agree completely that a feral druid is rarely at thier max potential if they are just DPSing. It drives me nuts when I see feral druids who want to always do cat form DPS in pure feral gear when the healing or crowd control is still of high added value. To me, the power of a few ferals in a raid is the ability for them to adapt quickly and to do tanking or DPS while regening mana when healing is not needed at that moment.
However, if you are contributing DPS in hybrid gear such as Genesis and healing when it is needed using HoT's, your aggro can still be dangerous on any fight that has tank-transfer or aggro reduction issues. The 20% reduction makes the hybrid DPS/healing/off-tank role more viable. A weapon swap and some hybrid gear can still leave you at 1500+ attack power with raid buffs which is still often aggro-capped in terms of DPS. There are fights where I know I can do more damage but I have to be very careful to NOT be competitive with the pure DPS because I also have spammed several substantial heals to stabilize the raid/tank healing after the initial pull.
The other thing to consider is that in some guilds a feral can very well be called upon at times to do pure DPS or pure tanking to meet class imbalances. Eight months as "raid-feral" and I have found many times to serve a pure DPS or tanking spot because we didnt have the right number of prot warriors or highly geared DPS classes. You wont see this as much in a guild that always has a large waitlist. You may very well see it though on a guild that often only has a handful on standby and may at times be very heavy on healing. The threat bonus is of tremendous value for any situation where a well-geared feral druid needs to add DPS. We are capped quite heavily at times in the live version and can easily make use of most of the higher threat cap.
Overall this is a very positive buff and removes a substantial limitation on the class with respect to a big chunk of our capability set. It leaves a lot of doors open in terms of multiple raid roles if we see more capable itemization.
A quick question that I'm sure has been answered other places, but I just wanted someone to give me the "nod" to getting this enchant...but would the ideal enchant for a feral druid weapon (for BG purposes onry...I'd have a healing one for instancing) be the +15 str enchant? Logic would say yes, but as we know...this game can defy logic when you least expect it.
At some point, I finally settled into +agi over +str since I'm in bear way more than cat.
Originally Posted by Lyta
I've been trying to concentrate on studying for my Proof Methods test tomorrow, and all I can think of is your hotness, radiating out from the pixels on my monitor, seared straight into my neurons.
A quick question that I'm sure has been answered other places, but I just wanted someone to give me the "nod" to getting this enchant...but would the ideal enchant for a feral druid weapon (for BG purposes onry...I'd have a healing one for instancing) be the +15 str enchant? Logic would say yes, but as we know...this game can defy logic when you least expect it.
You didn't say if it's 1H or 2H. With 2H you'd prefer +25 agi. With 1H it's hard to say, that's why you're asking I guess...
According to this http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...p=1#post773595
1 STR= 2,4 "kitty points", 1 AGI=2,1
So strength slightly better for cat dps, unless you want to emphasize crits. For bear form, agi has a bit more use due to +dodge & +crit.
In short, either one is just fine, you can decide based on enchanting mats, your current stats or whatever...
Thanks for the input. I was talking a 2h weapon (at least until I can get exalted with CC or the green dragons hammer) but I think I may have to do a little creative swapping to maybe have a +str weapon equipped for when I'm going lolferalkitty and then pop on a +agi for when I'm in bear because to be honest I feel as though I'm in both about evenly when it comes to battlegrounds.
Thanks to my one and only love, ItemRack, that won't be a problem! :dong:
Now I just have to be able to fund 2 expensive enchants X_X
Well yeah, you could also have a boss where if anyone other than a druid has aggro he yells "YOU AREN'T A BEAR, I'M LOOKING FOR A BEAR" and one-shots them.
In addition to laughing very hard at this, I imagined a Rajaxx sized Ranger Rick punting the raid skyward while shouting that... then I imagined the druid tank talking like Yogi... and yeah, it generally went downhill because my brain was struggling for oxygen.
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Never really posted on these forums before, but seeing as how some ressurected this thread, I'm going to Weigh in with my 2 cents.
Atm, the majority of Raiding Druids fall into 3 Specs, 24/0/27, 0/30/21, and x/x/34 (Primary Healing with: Caster Versatility, Melee Versatility, Healing Versatility) The main problem comes with Moonkin/LotP Tank/LotP Kitty specs. How much is Combat Rez/Innervate worth?
For guilds without an overabundance of Warriors, a Feral Druid offtank would definately seem useful, the superior threat generation of Druids allows the DPS to kill an Add sooner, once the Add is dead a simple weapon swap puts the druid at 400 DPS in catform with the option to innervate/combat rez. While there are certainly fights where this wouldn't be useful, there are also fights where it would be, and not just Jin'do. Broodlord, Nef, Ouro, Noth, and Patchwerk to name a few Bosses where Bearform would make a superior choice to another warrior.
Catform produces a problem beyond most guilds having too many Rogues as is, Catform is weak, very weak. While a Healer, a Druid may be equivalent to a Priest, or a Bear might be taking 12.5% more damage than a warrior, Catform can't even approach 75% of a Rogues DPS. And it's not really an issue of Itemization. If you create a set of gear specifically for druids, min-maxing your Str/Agi/Crit/Hit at the same iLevel as T3 (keeping as much Sta as is on Rogue T3) You'll weigh in just above 550 DPS, compared to a Rogue in Bonescythe's 850. Is Combat Rez worth 300 DPS? Doubtful.
Moonkin, while probably capable of putting out equal DPS to most mages and warlocks (and now with Innervating, having a comparable sustainability) Have absolutely no Threat Reduction outside Trinket use. When the limiting factor isn't your DPS, but your theat, I really don't see a reason to bother with Moonkin. No one is going to invite a Moonkin to a raid, knowing that their maximum potential without drawing aggro is 30% lower than any mage.
The largest problem facing both Druids, and Developers is Hybrid Itemization. How do you appropriately gear 'off-specs' to be useful in raids without causing "Oh look, more Feral Gear /wrist." An idea often suggested on the WoW Druid Forums is for "morphable" gear. The basic idea is that in addition to the standard benefits when shifting, a % of your Int/Spi/Healing/SpellCrit/Mana Regen would be converted into Str/Agi/Crit/Hit in Catform, Sta/Str/Dodge/Armor in bearform, and Spell Damage in Moonkin.
So, just wanted to see your words in print huh? Please refrain from using these forums as a soapbox. There was 15 pages worth of info you could have responded to, and you chose to preform a tangental diatribe of "Druids according to Me." Slap me around if I'm out of line here EJ, but honestly, I'm tired of people posting in established dialogues with no other purpose than to give their "2 cents."
Everything on here is "Druids according to me" Get over yourself if you think you're posting anything more than opinion-based-on-fact.
Would you like me to quote every post that mine could be a reply to? I wouldn't want to fill up your screen with quotes. This is a discussion, and I am posting what I believe is the basis for problems with off-specs. Also, I brought up morphing stats on gear, something not yet mentioned on this thread.
If you would like to reply with more than a trite flame, and discuss the things I posted, feel free.
Slap me around if I'm out of line here EJ, but honestly, I'm tired of people posting in established dialogues with no other purpose than to give their "2 cents."
He pre-emptively stated that he was late to the party, the thread says, "Feral Druid Discussion," so there's no real harm in him posting his thoughts. If what he typed out was too long or repetitive for you, you knew within the first few sentences and simply could have ignored it.
And what dialogue? This thread lost it's focus a long time ago.
Originally Posted by Lyta
I've been trying to concentrate on studying for my Proof Methods test tomorrow, and all I can think of is your hotness, radiating out from the pixels on my monitor, seared straight into my neurons.
That's the slap I was looking for. Don't take my sardonicism to heart. I'm just projecting general discontent with this thread in general I think. It's possible we're trying to answer too many questions at once in this topic, and the stream of consciousness has reached it's end for me. Carry on. I think there's a thread starting about 'Why a hunter should get ________." somewhere that I can roll my eyes at.
Ok, simmer down. Dude took his lumps and moved on. Stirring shit after things have been addressed isn't going to have quite the effect you intended.
Originally Posted by Lyta
I've been trying to concentrate on studying for my Proof Methods test tomorrow, and all I can think of is your hotness, radiating out from the pixels on my monitor, seared straight into my neurons.
08/08/06, 11:04 PM
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