Equally a priest in shadowform with improved inner fire has excellent mitigation with great aggro generation, so still no use for a moonkin :P

Quoted for posterity.

Excuse me for resurrecting this thread, however I deemed it better to post in this existing one instead of making a new one.

Going through this thread, Innervate was used as biggest argument for speccing heavy into Resto. Now that everyone Druid has Innervate in 1.11 and they are going to lower cat threat in 1.12, how do you think about this now?

Also mind that Naxx is a DPS fest, and that there might be uses for Druids DPSing (atleast on Gargoyles).

now swiftmend is too good :(

It changes nothing. Swiftmend is worth the cost and the thought of a cat having signficant problems with aggro is hilarious.

But do all Druids need to have Swiftmend to begin with? I would have thought the changes would help to get more Druids to spec 30 Feral 21 Resto, if 2-3 other Druids cover Swiftmend.

You might laugh at it, but with good gear cats drew aggro alot, even though they did less damage than rogues because they do not have the -20% threat modifier.

Yes but a druid is likely never going to be slotted into a Naxx raid with DPS in mind, and there are very few times where you aren't going to need that extra healer.

Also, who were they pulling aggro against? There is no way a cat would draw aggro on our tanks with 4 pc DN or be able to come anywhere close enough to our rogues' damage output to make it more than a passing fancy.


And, for the record, I'm 30/21

Still broke on test. Atleast it was this weekend.

Personally, I'm extremely curious if the scaling of AP (coupled with the absolutely insane AP catform hits) and the new FB rank are, overall, going to provide a fully AQ40-geared and full feral specced (I mean the full 11/31/5 +4 or whichever) with enough dps to potentialy justify one (not merely on thier dps- on thier dps + additive group dps + innervate +combat rez, though no healing). Or if this is just going to be sort of a vauge band-aid as rogue/fury warrior dps jumps ahead by leaps and bounds.

I can't imagine giving a debuff slot to Rip, even with the newly scalar nature of it (mmm...rolling Rips? that'd be interesting), so FB being a scaling raid finisher...worth it?

I suspect the answer will be no, now respec and heal, but I think it'd be cool if it were close enough to debate (speaking from a purely min/max situation, of course real world is a lot more flexible).

Chupid covered it but I'll say it anyway.

If you're in hybrid gear at best, fighting trash as you're sometimes allowed, you're not pulling aggo. If you are pulling aggro, your raid's overall DPS sucks. If you're in max DPS gear, and you're slotted as a DPS class for virtually everything in the zone, your raid leader sucks. In other words, most raiding druids will rarely make use of a threat modification.

As for swiftmend, I'd say you're a better healer with it regardless of how many other druids have it. Also, since more than one person can have a rejuv/regrowth active, and the same combination of druids aren't always present during each raid, there's no penalty if more than 2 or 3 in your guild have it. Of course I'm not saying that it's necessary to be 31 resto, just like it wasn't necessary to spec that way back when innervate was a talent. But if your only excuse to spec 31 feral is for HOT DPS ACTION during raids? That's just dumb.

lotp also gives that crit bonus to your entire party.