What exactly is a typical fight with C'thun like? I don't want to know strategies (leaving aside the fact that I wouldn't know what to do with one if it landed in lap), what I'm interested in knowing is if, when you reach x% health, does he go into Phase Rape-You-Hard, and you just accept the wipe? Or is it a fight that you honestly think you can win with enough hard work and by trying new things?

I ask this because there was an event in FFXI (I still pay a little attention to the game, and my brother still plays it a lot), where the current C'thun analog of the game got taken down to 50% yesterday, after roughly 12 hours of endless Black Mages nuking the fuck out of Absolute Virtue (the mob's name) only to have it heal itself back to full, and from then on, at around 75% it would just completely restore itself.

This is the Allakhazam Thread in which you can find most of the pertinent details. This thread is frequented by more of the people involved in the bigger HNM linkshells, but it's also much more fragmented.

At this point people fairly convinced that SE got pissed about someone finally getting AV down (they had previously admitted in a press conference that their devs had made it far too strong, and that when they said they defeated it with only 30 people, they were lying and had to use cheats to do it) so a GM or two simply took control and fucked the players over.

I'm curious if this is the same case on C'thun, because I've seen screenshots of him dealing 120000 damage, however, most guilds are fairly secretive about their tactics, so most discussion on mobs like these is the top players winking and nodding at each other. In FFXI, there is only one tactic these days: form an alliance of 18 people, but bring 30-40 people (usually about 20 of them being Black Mages) and hotswap parties in and out of the alliance as necessary while mages rest and melees (literally) sleep on the sidelines. The point being that there aren't [i]tactics[/] per se, just a couple bosses where it's easier to kite the mob while black mages nuke him down (rendering all six melee classes even more useless than usual).

I just find the idea of creating a monster that is impossible to beat, simply so the devs can be "the winners" utterly reprehensible. Even though I've never seen the inside of MC, I love the fact that players come out of fights grinning like idiots and eager to go back. Whenever I watch my brother fighting the gods in sky (FFXI lingo), it just leave a sour taste in my mouth.

That's perfect. That's exactly what I was interested in. Like I said, I don't want strategies, and what you guys have figured out is yours to distribute as you see fit. I just remembered seeing a picture of C'thun hitting someone for 12000 and wondering if Blizzard had decided that since they can't win against their player base being reasonable, then maybe they'd cheat and make something impossible to beat. SE, clearly, thought otherwise. I thnk it may just be a flaw they've carried over from their various console RPGs; if you can't beat a boss now all you really need is...BIGGER NUMBERS! Go hit a million more orcs and whatever you were having trouble with is trivialized.

Edit: I didn't know that the 12000 damage came from being in a tunnel. I thought it was just C'thun-damage, business-as-usual.

Not so much. C'thun does not one shot you in any unavoidable manner.

No, that's not what C'thun is.

Also the damage shots where he deals that much are some sort of anti-zerg script or something. It's not the REAL C'thun output.

The fight isn't cheesy in that aspect.

Rag v1.0 is an apt comparison on a couple of levels, I agree. We're much better and more versatile raiders than anyone was in March/April 2005 (and we can actually re-attempt after a wipe) so people are doing more than anyone ever managed against Rag v1.0, but it has a lot of the same feel to it.

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And Zellyn, C'Thun is probably the most player-skill-intensive fight in the game, by a long shot. There really aren't any truly unfair (to-be-tuned AQ stuff excepted) or mind-numbingly one-dimensional fights in the WoW raid game. A couple of things in MC are pretty bland, but MC is to raid zones what RFC is to instances, so it's forgivable.

Gaint Claw Tentacle?

Mages and their 2k max hp. :rolleyes:

Hmm, I dunno, I also like it when Cthun eats me, and I get mind flayed on the way down.

Or Cthun eats me and a gaint claw spawns ontop of me, and then proceeds to hit me, so I die in the middle of the air in his stomach.

Or when I get spit out of cthun... into a Claw.

Or when you watch the people attacking an Eye get a claw spawned on top of them...

And then the eye kills everyone because 'no one' is 2 words, retard can touch it because of the claw.

Or when your in his stomach and a Claw spawns and kills you (which is so fucking confusing to even think about)

Remember, BLIZZARD TESTED THIS ENCOUNTER EXTENSIVLY WITH AN ALL STAR INTERNAL TEAM!!!!

Edit- And its 4k life :P

Edit 2 - Yes, I am a retard. Sorry -_-

Haha, this is a fun bug, but it's 100% attributable to something you did, and I know what. :ph34r:

And yes, a couple of weeks of C'Thun will produce a litany of "wtf you won't believe how I died this time" stories.

INC post about "Plz shar 1337 stratz plz lol"

I think my fav story about Cthun is in stage 1 -

"How the fuck did you die Brilliance?"
"He shot me 3 times in a row -_-"

Go go RSTS

Yea, at this point I'm going to start Fraps'ing every C'Thun attempt and make a highlight comedy reel for release after the fight has been publicly explained in depth by someone looking to achieve internet stardom with the still-in-MC guilds on R&D.