Fury, Arms & 2h, what will it be? - Page 4

EgaL · 03/23/06, 6:42 PM

Totem + Sword Spec + HoJ = 27% to proc an extra attack
- It would take an average of 3.7 Hamstrings to proc an extra attack, a cost of 37 rage.
- Those 3.7 Hamstrings will hit for ~166 damage (with no armor). This is comparable to the Mortal Strike damage bonus.
- I know that an extra attack from a raid level sword generates more than 7 rage, making up the difference between the cost of spamming Hamstrings to get an extra attack and a Mortal Strike. On the other hand a Mortal Strike has a 27% chance to proc an extra attack so it's probably a wash.

They arent additive I think. The chance to nt get an additional attack is:
0.8 * 0.95 * 0.98 = 0.7448 so the chance to get an additional attack is 25.52 percent. Included are the chances to get two extra attacks and an extra attack + windfury proc. And you could trigger another windfury proc/extra attack with the extra attack/windfury proc...

Hamstring spam relays greatly on chance and is only viable with windfury imo. The sure way would be to use a mortal strike but because it has a cooldown you could do hamstrings while you wait for the next ms if your rage is sufficent.

Drauk · 03/24/06, 5:56 AM

Originally Posted by aertifact,March 17th, 2006 @ 3:22AM

The GC is defently 1sec, not 1.5sec.

GC is 1 sec for rogues and 1.5 sec for everyone esle. Don't forget that visual represenation of cooldown is skewed by ping. GetActionCooldown() is your friend.

XI- · 03/24/06, 7:37 AM

Originally Posted by Drauk,March 24th, 2006 @ 5:56AM

Originally Posted by aertifact,March 17th, 2006 @ 3:22AM

The GC is defently 1sec, not 1.5sec.

GC is 1 sec for rogues and 1.5 sec for everyone esle. Don't forget that visual represenation of cooldown is skewed by ping. GetActionCooldown() is your friend.

Wodin would beg to differ :P

Drauk · 03/24/06, 7:48 AM

Originally Posted by XI-,March 24th, 2006 @ 7:37AM

Wodin would beg to differ :P

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-gene...p-vs-pve-2.html

(and the post above it)

EgaL · 03/24/06, 8:29 AM

I liked the first post on that page:

Originally Posted by Iannis

I agree, pvp and pve should be subject to seperate mechanics and influenced in unique ways. You're talking time, you're talking money, and neither in insignificant measure. The design would be the easy part.

We're looking at a case of better luck next time.

QFT

Lets all hope they make Diablo 3 a good game ;)

On the topic: only because someone in that forum writes "armageddon is tomorrow" will you waste your whole money today?

I mean its no proof in there is it?

A proof would be spamming one (instant) button and taking a defined time in which you count how many instants are used. The problem there is you dont have enough enrgy/rage to constantly spam instants besides in the vael encounter.

Let a warrior hamstring spam and a rogue sinister strike spam for a defined time during the vael encounter, if they have the same amount of instants, they have the same global cooldown.

The instants of all mana classes have long cooldowns anyways so its unimportant there.

I know that weapon swapping for rogues triggers a 1 second cooldown, where it triggers a 1.5 sec cooldown for all other classes (thats listed in some patch notes I am just too lazy to quote it :P). My guess is that poster you re referring to got that mixed up. Just test it at the next vael encounter bring your numbers along. That would be a proof.

• Wodin · 03/24/06, 8:56 AM

Originally Posted by XI-,March 24th, 2006 @ 7:37AM

Originally Posted by Drauk,March 24th, 2006 @ 5:56AM

GC is 1 sec for rogues and 1.5 sec for everyone esle. Don't forget that visual represenation of cooldown is skewed by ping. GetActionCooldown() is your friend.

Wodin would beg to differ :P

Heh, I make one mistake and I'll never live it down.

subscience · 03/24/06, 10:07 AM

I always figured the minimum +spell bonus was 1.5s/3.5s because global cooldown was 1.5s.