Protection Warriors - Page 3

Wubwub · 04/03/06, 7:32 AM

Less than a shaman.*

*With a shield.

• Tehax · 04/03/06, 6:40 PM

I do not know who Quigon is, but he is dumb, so is that thesteelwarrior.org thing.

HS is awesome.

I generally see two major complaints pop up when people discuss HS, one, it eats up rage too fast, and two, a monsters armor mitigation hurts it. Both are pretty meaningless in a raid setting. Any raid mob of significance will probably be fully sundered, have faerie fire on it, and have curse of recklessness, bringing its armor mitigation down to almost nothing. It will also hit really really hard, hard enough that only a tiny fraction of a warriors rage would come from auto attacks, the rage lost by using HS is fairly inconsequential.

ALSO

-HS does not set off the gobal cooldown, you can freely spam it and not have to stop using other abilities (particularly important in fights where you are waiting to catch fears or something, like nef)

-HS adds 157 damage, which means more hate, and the 157 damage can potentially crit. A crit means 314 bonus damage and more than 314 damage worth of hate (a crit for 2X damage generates more threat than two normal attacks for X damage)

-I use HS more than I use sunder, and I am awesome, that makes it awesome by association

Anglakel · 04/03/06, 6:47 PM

Originally Posted by Tehax,April 3rd, 2006 @ 5:40PM

-I use HS more than I use sunder, and I am awesome at procing Armstrong's blood craze, that makes it awesome by association

:ph34r: I love your axe spec tehax

Wubwub · 04/03/06, 7:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tehax,April 3rd, 2006 @ 4:40PM

-I use HS more than I use sunder, and I am awesome, that makes it awesome by association

I don't think anyone can argue that.

Kytrarewn · 04/04/06, 10:13 AM

This is the tanking build of my guild's MT/Guildleader, which seems to work remarkably well. He has Thunderfury/CTS for dual-wielding, as well as a defense skill of 413 without anticipation, when he swaps out the Lifegiving Gem for the Ony Blood Trinket.

Seems to work out pretty (very) well, and initially looking at it, I see no "wasted points" that would be better placed elsewhere.

Our secondary tank uses a standard 31/5/15 and our third tank is using a 0/32/19 build. All of them definitely get the job done, although I must say that I would highly prefer if our secondary tank had Piercing Howl, though not at the cost of, say, Defiance.

EDIT: BTW, I highly suggest using www.wowhead.com/talent over the Blizzard Talent Calculator for stuff like this. Much, much quicker, especially on days when there's server downtime.

Wubwub · 04/04/06, 10:19 AM

Seems to work out pretty (very) well, and initially looking at it, I see no "wasted points" that would be better placed elsewhere.

No no, you see.. If you look in the fury tree you can clearly see a point spent in piercing howl. Also 5 in one hand weapon spec.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...250110530220101 There are some wasted talent points in here, unfortunately. It's still pretty straight forward. Anticipation is nice since it's 10 defense you can exchange for stamina in gear, if you so choose.

PS - Drake Fang Talisman is a wonderful passive tank trinket. It's a shame that DPS hogs it.

Kytrarewn · 04/04/06, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by ex-Wubwub,April 4th, 2006 @ 9:19AM

Seems to work out pretty (very) well, and initially looking at it, I see no "wasted points" that would be better placed elsewhere.

No no, you see.. If you look in the fury tree you can clearly see a point spent in piercing howl. Also 5 in one hand weapon spec.

Well, from what I can see from my panoramic view of any given mob's ass during an encounter, we tend to use Piercing Howl pretty often in our raids, especially during things that aren't quite at the "perfect farm status" point.

Maybe at some point it would be more worth swapping it out for a few more points in arms for Imp HS, but for now it seems to help quite a bit with "zergs" in various encounters.

Originally Posted by ex-Wubwub,April 4th, 2006 @ 9:19AM

PS - Drake Fang Talisman is a wonderful passive tank trinket. It's a shame that DPS hogs it.

I hate you for even suggesting that...

Wubwub · 04/04/06, 10:30 AM

Wait, are you alliance?

And I'm sorry but it's true. 2 hit and 1 dodge? Fuck yeah that's tank shit right there.

Kytrarewn · 04/04/06, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by ex-Wubwub,April 4th, 2006 @ 9:30AM

Wait, are you alliance?

And I'm sorry but it's true. 2 hit and 1 dodge? Fuck yeah that's tank shit right there.

No, Gilneas Horde. And I agree that DFT could definitely be useful for a tank, but given that we've only had two drop so far, and that I'm a rogue, I'd prefer to just delude myself that it's a purely DPS trinket.

I know where you're going with the whole Alliance thing and Earthbind, but Earthbind doesn't really work as well on, say, Green Drakonids on Nefarian Phase 1, so Piercing Howl adds quite a bit of control to the zergs.

Again, once we get things on a more perfect farm status, it could potentially be worth switching out, but I can definitely a benefit in having it in the raid.

Wubwub · 04/04/06, 10:37 AM

I reckon so. I've never really dropped earthbind in phase 1 Nef that I can think of. Wait yes I have, just not often.

Pro fucking tanking trinkets:

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40548
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=43878
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=35991
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=38253

sekdar · 04/04/06, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Arawethion,April 3rd, 2006 @ 12:52AM

Because the value posted above shows SS to be less Rage-efficient than Imp. Sunder (in fact, less Rage-efficient than unimproved Sunder), which would makes its value rather limited.

I have no idea which numbers are which in today's latest patch, but shield slam has ALWAYS been behind other skills for rage efficiency. Shield slam is most useful for a secondary snap-aggro skill for when taunt is on cooldown or when you absolutely need that mob off someone without having to switch stances for mocking blow or burn a 10 minute shout.

This is the build I used when I was prot specced. LOL at imp. revenge, but it was fun for sartura. You have quite a lot of flexibility with prot specs because half the tree is garbage/filler.

subscience · 04/04/06, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by ex-Wubwub,April 4th, 2006 @ 9:37AM

I reckon so. I've never really dropped earthbind in phase 1 Nef that I can think of. Wait yes I have, just not often.

Pro fucking tanking trinkets:

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40548
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=43878
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=35991
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=38253

Out of curiosity, why would you say that the Drake Fang Talisman is a pro tanking trinket over, say, Styleen's?

Kytrarewn · 04/04/06, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by subscience,April 4th, 2006 @ 11:03AM

Originally Posted by ex-Wubwub,April 4th, 2006 @ 9:37AM

I reckon so. I've never really dropped earthbind in phase 1 Nef that I can think of. Wait yes I have, just not often.

Pro fucking tanking trinkets:

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40548
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=43878
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=35991
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=38253

Out of curiosity, why would you say that the Drake Fang Talisman is a pro tanking trinket over, say, Styleen's?

I'm just taking a guess here... but I'm guessing it's because of avoidance cap issues, and the fact that the 5% block on Styleen's takes up close to 10% of the available 'avoidance slots'.

subscience · 04/04/06, 12:24 PM

I thought the avoidance cap was a myth.

Edit- Trying to dig up a source...

XI- · 04/04/06, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by subscience,April 4th, 2006 @ 11:24AM

I thought the avoidance cap was a myth.

I believe blue posted that it is, and from personal experience it is. If there was really a 60% avoidance cap what would be the point of evasion?