Warriors, Talents and Tactical Mastery. - Page 4

XI- · 04/04/06, 11:19 AM

Tactical Mastery seems more like IAE. If you don't spec it, there are ways to patch over that utility in practical situations. It lets you do a few things you couldn't do before, but doensn't fundamentally affect the scope of the class.

Sure you chase mobs while they eat through raid members, as you hit the mob for 6 rage, 6 rage, 6 rage, :P.

• Zoid · 04/04/06, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by XI-,April 4th, 2006 @ 7:08AM

I think that's the point though. If any class goes say, 30 points in a tree, and doesn't take the 31 point talent, isn't something wrong with tree design or talents in some fashion?

Lightwell is a piece of garbage. I've see a lot of 1.10 priest builds with 30 points in holy and 21 in discipline.

Blizzard has said repeatedly that the idea behind they 31 point talents is that they're not supposed to be some godly must have. Just something that makes the build uniquely different by specing into it.

Wubwub · 04/04/06, 11:20 AM

Lolwell.

XI- · 04/04/06, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Zoid,April 4th, 2006 @ 10:19AM

Originally Posted by XI-,April 4th, 2006 @ 7:08AM

I think that's the point though. If any class goes say, 30 points in a tree, and doesn't take the 31 point talent, isn't something wrong with tree design or talents in some fashion?

Lightwell is a piece of garbage. I've see a lot of 1.10 priest builds with 30 points in holy and 21 in discipline.

Blizzard has said repeatedly that the idea behind they 31 point talents is that they're not supposed to be some godly must have. Just something that makes the build uniquely different by specing into it.

I don't think it should be some godly must have, but when you're weighing talent options, and you say, this 21 point talent is better than this 31 point talent, what's the point? What's going to happen when the expansion comes, and talents are expanded to 61 points, are we all going to be 30/31 or some fashion of that.

Graham · 04/04/06, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by XI-,April 4th, 2006 @ 10:22AM

I don't think it should be some godly must have, but when you're weighing talent options, and you say, this 21 point talent is better than this 31 point talent, what's the point? What's going to happen when the expansion comes, and talents are expanded to 61 points, are we all going to be 30/31 or some fashion of that.

Well, unless the last 10 points in one of the trees is simply amazing, I guarantee you'll see a lot of 0/30/31 and 30/0/31 druids.

Thrillho · 04/04/06, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by XI-,April 4th, 2006 @ 8:53AM

It's not just 5 points, or 6 points if you include evocation. Mages are saving 16 points, if they don't spec arcane. The 10 previous points, + the 6. Or in the warrior's case 10 points. Now I've never looked at what you would spec as a mage, nor could a tell you, especially if they add synergy between fire and frost, but as a warrior I'll tell you the ability to go fury/prot with TM would be the ultimate PvE/PvP synergy.

mages should get presence of mind as a class skill because everyone has it imo

XI- · 04/04/06, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Graham,April 4th, 2006 @ 10:23AM

Originally Posted by XI-,April 4th, 2006 @ 10:22AM

I don't think it should be some godly must have, but when you're weighing talent options, and you say, this 21 point talent is better than this 31 point talent, what's the point? What's going to happen when the expansion comes, and talents are expanded to 61 points, are we all going to be 30/31 or some fashion of that.

Well, unless the last 10 points in one of the trees is simply amazing, I guarantee you'll see a lot of 0/30/31 and 30/0/31 druids.

I'm absolutely sure you will, and ton of 30/31 rogues, and 31/30 warriors. Why wouldn't you have AR, and SF, or MS+Flurry. If the 31 point talents aren't a must have, how do you scale beyond them? Merely by making the higher tier talents that good, that you take something like lightwell to fill a talent point?

subscience · 04/04/06, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Zoid,April 4th, 2006 @ 10:19AM

Blizzard has said repeatedly that the idea behind they 31 point talents is that they're not supposed to be some godly must have. Just something that makes the build uniquely different by specing into it.

What makes a 31/20 build more "uniquely different" than a 30/21 build? They're both uniquely different. It just so happens that many classes have such shitty 31 point talents that a 30/21 build offers much, much more (e.g. 30 Fire / 21 Arcane vs. 31 Fire / 20 Arcane).

jubelio · 04/04/06, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Arawethion,April 4th, 2006 @ 9:15AM

Evocation is great example of something that should be made a class skill (more so than IAE). No build without Evo is going to be more useful in raids than any build with Evo.

Following this logic, innervate and maybe even natures swiftness should be class skills as well.

Kaubel · 04/04/06, 11:26 AM

Hey now.

Someone claimed to have seen a lightwell last night and said it was cool looking. I don't believe it. Not that it isn't cool looking but that someone actually has that talent. Snuffleupagus, I say.

Krag · 04/04/06, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Zoid,April 4th, 2006 @ 10:19AM

Lightwell is a piece of garbage. I've see a lot of 1.10 priest builds with 30 points in holy and 21 in discipline.

Someone popped a Lightwell last Nef kill and I thought I had a graphical glitch or something until I got around to hovering over it :blink:

♦ Praetorian · 04/04/06, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Krag,April 4th, 2006 @ 11:27AM

Originally Posted by Zoid,April 4th, 2006 @ 10:19AM

Lightwell is a piece of garbage. I've see a lot of 1.10 priest builds with 30 points in holy and 21 in discipline.

Someone popped a Lightwell last Nef kill and I thought I had a graphical glitch or something until I got around to hovering over it :blink:

Lightwell might be useful if you run out of Elune Stones and Wood and want a nice "tank stand here" beacon.

Raylen · 04/04/06, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Kaubel,April 4th, 2006 @ 9:26AM

Hey now.

Someone claimed to have seen a lightwell last night and said it was cool looking. I don't believe it. Not that it isn't cool looking but that someone actually has that talent. Snuffleupagus, I say.

Thad in LoH dropped one on our late night Emeriss kill. This is one of the few things I remember from this weekend.

Graham · 04/04/06, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Kaubel,April 4th, 2006 @ 10:26AM

Hey now.

Someone claimed to have seen a lightwell last night and said it was cool looking. I don't believe it. Not that it isn't cool looking but that someone actually has that talent. Snuffleupagus, I say.

That was me, and I almost reloaded my UI before I moused over it.

subscience · 04/04/06, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by jubelio,April 4th, 2006 @ 10:26AM

Originally Posted by Arawethion,April 4th, 2006 @ 9:15AM

Evocation is great example of something that should be made a class skill (more so than IAE). No build without Evo is going to be more useful in raids than any build with Evo.

Following this logic, innervate and maybe even natures swiftness should be class skills as well.

Precisely. Where do you draw the line of what is "necessity" and what merits the use of talent points?