Title says it all. If chance to get an extra attack (which can also crit) is better than chance to crit (as I and many other warriors believe), then why do our talent trees give us the option of 6% extra attack (sword spec) vs 5% crit (axe/polearm spec).

Because humans get +sword skill.

Unless they treated warriors differently from rogues on this, I think you should re-check the talent tooltip.

Was an error in the tooltip, the actual number of extra attacks was always 5%, it just said 6%. Additionally, the idea that an extra attack is greater than a crit is a little bit complicated. I was a human warrior so I was naturally swords (el oh el 313 2h swords with OEB, 309 with maladath) but if I had ever achieved GM, I would have used the axe for a while. Extra attacks are nice, but they don't help crits on execute, they also don't take away as much bonus from impale, however there is the awesome occasion where you proc sword spec and both crit, axes can't touch that. MS + Extra attack is worse than a crit ms, but if the ms or the extra attack on the sword crits, then you would be better off with the sword. It's just not as clearcut as some people think, and a lot of GM/HW warriors (especially orcs) swear by their axes.

Undead Polearm Animations would force me to use a Polearm if I had gotten High Warlord.

I love the sword animation for your avatar.

They fixed most everything to only work off white damage 2 patches ago or so.

I thought they removed it/it doesn't work or something. Just the other day I gouged some dude and procced instant poison and perdition's blade fireball off of it.

get that aqual quintessence

That screenshot is wrong for so many reasons.

You're one of those people that tells other to get their MC water when you still haven't even finish the quest yet. :angry:

That's my alt ;), my main has had the quest finished for a long time. I'm one of the few people that bothers to get it done on their alt.

I think it's more people failing to notice the lower-left and confusing your reskinned Zin'rokh for an actual TF. :P

I am more interested in what the Taco macro is for than anything else really.

Back on the actual topic, for warriors 5% crit actually gives more damage than 5% extra hit if you have deep wounds and impale, but it's balanced because extra hits generate more rage.

Speaking of silly/awesome ways to use the Thunderfury...


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Hmm. I'd like to see some maths on that.

Wouldn't it all be dependant on your crit rate to start with, and what other abilities you're using, at the very least?

I mean, if you have 20% crit, then you're equalling the damage from Impale with the extra attacks that are crits.

Also, when you proc an extra attck off an extra attack or a low damage attack (Hamstring spam for example) then you are hugely increassing the comparative damage output. The Executes you don't crit with Sword Spec, you do gain an extra attack on. As a lot of Executes are from base 15 Rage, and I hit for circa 600 anyway, there's little lost and of course some gained from the extra attack crits, once aagain. Although Sword does lose out a lot on the full bar executes.

And in a PvE situation, your overall damage to threat ratio is going to be (marginally) lower.

And of course, more rage = more damage.

So surely Sword is empirically better than Axe in PvE (for the reasons above) and PvP (bigger potential burst damage.)


But yeah, I'd like to see some ninja clever maths on that.

Extra attacks can also miss or be dodged/parried/blocked whereas crits always land. I would be interested in seeing some maths to show at what %crit rate an additional sword spec % becomes better than an additional crit%. Both in pvp and pve.

Agreed on almost all parts. Windfury probably throws a wrench into the balance in sword's favor, but I have no experience there.

The only difference I'd suggest is that I'd personally rate axes/polearms slightly higher for PVP - with the enrage nerf and whatever tampering they've done to sword spec over time, the LOLONESHOT doesn't appear nearly as often as it used to. Extra reliability in the crits seems to help out a lot more than hoping your sword procs in a fight.

That's just my experience. Your mileage may vary.

Well if a sword spec attack is dodged, you get an overpower, and that's more damage again.

Instead of

Damage*2

you get

Damage + Damage + Bonus Damage

which is more damage. Mmm. More damage.

And with a 2h, misses are basically non existant. Parries, you do lose out on.


And for PvP, 5% crit is no more "reliable" than 5% extra attack. The chance of one event with a 5% likelyhood occouring is exactly the same as another event with a 5% likelyhood occouring. And due to the higher incidence of you using Hamstring and Pummel, there's even more chance you'll stand to gain more damage.

In fact, I'd have thought the difference was even greater in PvP than it is in PvE.

Oh wait, Windfury.

Hmm. Anyway, my brain is insisting Sword Spec is straight up better. See if this was a Rogue thing, someone would have shown up with a spreadsheet by now. Warriors suck.

In pure statistical theory, yep.

In WOW, with it's retarded number generator rolls, my experience says no :)