fury dualwield

Jo_ · 04/11/06, 6:29 AM

We've updated our restriction lists and ran into a total of 1 problem and I need some assistance from someone with some numbers to back his arguments up.

The short of it is we've restricted Ancient Qiraji Ripper to rogues which has pissed off our single dualwield fury warrior. He's doing pretty good on the charts against our Ashkandi fury warriors so I don't want to disregard his opinions completly but I was under the impression that for pve dps nothing beats 2h fury.

At the moment his mainhand is Crul'shorukh and his offhand Doom's Edge. I guess his plan is to use the Ripper as mainhand and Crul'shorukh as the offhand if he manage to convince us. he got around 846ap, 23% crit, 9% hit if that helps.

any thoughts about this, preferably with some numbers to back your arguments up?

thanks for your time.

Amberyl · 04/11/06, 7:06 AM

i don't know where you got the notion that 2H fury beats dual wield in PVE DPS because its basically universally accepted that DW > All in PVE DPS. i don't have the numbers to prove it right now but i spend a great deal of time on the warrior boards and it is, without question, the most widely accepted notion. i dual wield now and get very near the top of the DPS charts if i try, but i couldn't use myself as a great example because i only started picking up DPS armor a month or so ago.

• moz · 04/11/06, 7:53 AM

Let him continue to be pissed off and give that sword to a rogue, I don't think you need numbers to see why given what he has right now. He has plenty of room to improve his gear aside from his weapons that will help him improve his DPS output. Given the fact that the Armaments are more accessible than this, why isn't he interested in a Pugio, given the fact that it is truly cross-class.

norg · 04/11/06, 8:12 AM

Is CTS currently rogue-only?

Jo_ · 04/11/06, 8:22 AM

Originally Posted by moz,April 11th, 2006 @ 5:53AM

Given the fact that the Armaments are more accessible than this, why isn't he interested in a Pugio, given the fact that it is truly cross-class.

2 rippers, 0 armaments ;(

• moz · 04/11/06, 8:37 AM

Well that's bad luck, but numbers-wise what I said still stands and seems to make a lot more sense given the nature of the token system.

Eventually, it's up to you how you handle weapon priority -- and it's a topic which is always up for debate. My reasoning is that warriors have quite a few options, both for 1H and 2H (which obviously rogues do not). By making a couple of the very best items in that slot (e.g. Ripper & CTS) dual or even warrior priority is a sure-fire way to piss your rogues off. It's just common sense, and given your original post I'd say your token fury warrior is just being selfish.

Mizerok · 04/11/06, 9:34 AM

Originally Posted by moz,April 11th, 2006 @ 6:37AM

Well that's bad luck, but numbers-wise what I said still stands and seems to make a lot more sense given the nature of the token system.

Eventually, it's up to you how you handle weapon priority -- and it's a topic which is always up for debate. My reasoning is that warriors have quite a few options, both for 1H and 2H (which obviously rogues do not). By making a couple of the very best items in that slot (e.g. Ripper & CTS) dual or even warrior priority is a sure-fire way to piss your rogues off. It's just common sense, and given your original post I'd say your token fury warrior is just being selfish.

Agreed. In the fact that warriors have an amazingly large amount of options when it comes to weapons, while rogues only have an extremely small amount. Not to mention that fist weapons and possibly maces are rather...blah? Being that there is barely any of them that make sense for a rogue to have (in the case of maces) and the fact that there are now only a few more fist weapons then previously recorded. It still seems best for rogues to go for swords/daggers simply for the nice builds and large amounts available.

Yes the RANK14 weapons are great, but I don't want to have to go to RANK14 to rock with fist weapons in a PVE situation =\.

Breaksmith · 04/11/06, 9:56 AM

I'd have to agree that this should be Rogue first.

Moz is absolutely on the money in saying that a Pugio is a far better option, whereas a Deathbringer would be a significant, non-rogue accesible upgrade for his Doom's Edge, if he wants a big, slow, hard hitting MH.

And those numbers on AP, crit and hit are woefully low for someone rocking a Crul'Shorukh. He should be looking at 1k AP 10& hit and 25% crit, or there abouts, if the rest of his equip is going to match the quality of his weapons.

So yeah, tell him to use his points on some better rings or what have you and snag an armament/Deathbringer when he can. He'll be more useful that way and he won't piss on the Rogues' chips while he's about it.

Anglakel · 04/11/06, 11:17 AM

Grow more vanish and feint, then try to compete with rogues for high dps 1h swords. They will always put it to better use.

Amberyl · 04/12/06, 9:05 AM

was answering the OPs question about 2H vs. dual wield PVE DPS output, but on the topic of weapon priority, i agree that combat rogues should get first dibs on most swords. from a pure raiding perspective, they are much better suited to DPS (since they have agro reducing/wiping abilities) and can put those particular weapons to better use. i didn't get a CTS until all the rogues in our guild who wanted it got it.

• sekdar · 04/12/06, 9:50 AM

Unless Mistar Dual Wielding Fury Warrior has a fetish of the sandreaver, he shouldn't be touching rippers before rogues, and even then it's iffy.