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Old 04/11/06, 10:24 PM   #1
dreadnor
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"During the 1.8 bugged shield block I went out with 310 defense and fought level 60 ghosts in Deadwind Pass. I killed them all using just autoattack in defensive stance, and kept Shield Block refreshed every time it cooled down. In over 2000 attacks made while Shield Block was active, I got zero critical hits. There is no question that Shield Block removes critical hits from the combat table. Sadly, I lost the data from that testing to a corrupted file for further analysis of how miss/dodge/parry fell out from it.

And so I am now testing crushing blows, and will be able to answer the dodge/parry/miss question as well. It is a longer process of course, since we don't have the Shield Block bug anymore. "

- Satrina

Basically this is saying that a crit and a block cannot both happen in PVE (we know it can for pvp). From that, it is implying that a block takes precedence over a crit, that is, crit AND hit are replaced by block in the combat table (assuming one table). The idea of one combat table to me seems pretty unlikely since there will be very little room for regular hits from a lvl 63 mob (15% CBs, 8ish%crit, your mitigation, all this leaves about 20% left over for hits).

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Old 04/11/06, 10:51 PM   #2
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My understanding is that if your block chance goes over 100% you can't be crit.

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Old 04/11/06, 11:19 PM   #3
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Design flaw? Or working as intended?

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Old 04/12/06, 2:51 AM   #4
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I don't know -- one of our warriors with firsthand experience in this area might be able to comment more insightfully.

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Old 04/12/06, 3:01 AM   #5
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I discussed this exact issue with Moz back when I tanked a raid spamming Shield Block the whole time and didn't notice a single crit or crushing blow. I was very suprised by the results but didn't go out and test it as much as the person referenced in the OP did. Seems to work the way it's described for me.

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Old 04/12/06, 3:49 AM   #6
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Not sure about working as intended, but you're correct (from my experience).

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Old 04/14/06, 12:09 PM   #7
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I too did a bunch of testing with another mt on my old warrior back when shield block was bugged, and we didn't see a single crit or crushing blow while blocking.

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Old 04/14/06, 3:42 PM   #8
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I want paw block. And pawrry.

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Old 04/14/06, 3:45 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Lord BEEF,April 14th, 2006 @ 2:42PM
I want paw block. And pawrry.
Oh god.


Oh god


That was weapons-grade bad, beef.

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Old 04/14/06, 6:46 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Lord BEEF,April 14th, 2006 @ 2:42PM
I want paw block. And pawrry.
I lol'd.



This is what our MT tells me too by the way, which is why our two main tanks moved to Imp SB for Emp tanking. 15 minute fights makes it pretty likely a devastating crush/crit/unbalancing combo will occur.

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Old 04/15/06, 6:09 PM   #11
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Blizzard uses a roll combat system.
Basically when a mob attacks, the game rolls a dice (lets say 1-1000 for arguments sake, assuming 15% Parry, 10% Dodge, 20% Block).

If the game rolls 1-150 You Parry
151-250 you Dodge
251-450 you Block
450-900 Normal Attack
901-950 Miss
951-1000 Crushing Blow

Since the game will never hit more than one number, you will never have a partially blocked crushing blow, and if you get over 100% Block, you simply can not be crit/crushing blowed.

The table is extremely simplified, but the concept is the same. (Imp. Shield Block after Unbalancing Strikes is extremely useful for preventing crits/crushing in this way also).

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Old 04/15/06, 6:14 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by dreadnor,April 11th, 2006 @ 10:19PM
Design flaw? Or working as intended?
Honestly, it seems like a design oversight, but since it would require an overhauling of simple combat mechanics I doubt we would see a fix until expansion.

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Old 04/15/06, 6:59 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Lord BEEF,April 14th, 2006 @ 2:42PM
I want paw block. And pawrry.
Quoting this for horror.

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Old 04/15/06, 7:23 PM   #14
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This thread is amusing considering that R&D Emps thread which I just read, I'm amazed it got dragged out for 5 pages. I thought this was common knowledge, especially while SB was bugged there for a while.

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Old 04/15/06, 7:43 PM   #15
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That emperor thread is going places. And I don't think it's anywhere I want to be.

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