The Problems with New Hardware

Kerulak · 04/21/06, 4:09 PM

So Deathwing got a new server, much like Mal'Ganis recently. Hooray! Lag-Free BWL...finally!

Except that we ought to have been careful what we wished for.

Razorgore has become nigh impossible now. And we are in the midst of trying many many different strategies now.

Have you had to alter your strat in BWL now that there is zero-lag? I've noticed in the Shaman kiting strat alone...that Legos loooooooooooooooooove to NOT get slowed by Earthbind totems...and just truck right through as if we hadn't dropped the totems at all.

If we can even keep the totems up...

♦ Praetorian · 04/21/06, 4:11 PM

Haha yeah, embarrassing as it is, we wiped twice to Razorgore on our first two attempts with the brand new hardware. After I got done berating the raid for sucking, we scrapped our strategy completely, and just split into groups of 10 in each corner with separate MAs and killed everything except dragonkin. Really simple, actually.

Humbaba · 04/21/06, 4:12 PM

I know half the WoW population has to do it without shamans kiting. We've done it horde side before without it when we had limited shaman numbers. Piercing Howl and healing works well enough. I know others do it by killing the legos, but I have no experience with it.

Walsk · 04/21/06, 4:14 PM

Originally Posted by Praetorian,April 21st, 2006 @ 2:11PM

Haha yeah, embarrassing as it is, we wiped twice to Razorgore on our first two attempts with the brand new hardware. After I got done berating the raid for sucking, we scrapped our strategy completely, and just split into groups of 10 in each corner with separate MAs and killed everything except dragonkin. Really simple, actually.

This has been the Goon Squad pro strat. Just kill the buggers. There was a really vocal proponent or two of Shaman kiting but that never got off the ground. Assuming you've been doing BWL for a while your raid DPS and survivability should be a mile ahead of what it was the first time you were getting your Razorgore strategy down. The orcs die fast.

Breaksmith · 04/21/06, 4:24 PM

We managed to kill Razorgore once using the kiting strat in about 3 months. Then we switched to just murdering everything bar dragons and we dropped him after about 3 or 4 tries.

So long as you have some mean bastard DPS, it seems a lot simpler, and we had mean enough DPS pre-BWL just stacking in a few extra DPS warriors.

Come to think of it, most of our strats involve having a giant heap of mean DPS warriors. I blame our Rogues/Mages.

Kerulak · 04/21/06, 4:24 PM

Yep. Just as I had guessed. We've only tried to lego/mage kill strat a few times and have gotten very very close...so perhaps we will look to perfect this instead. It would seem that some corners handle their mobs very well...and others get dual mages followed by dual legos, and trying to control them is like trying to get Blizzard to communicate a C'thun bugfix.

We are also going to investigate switching controllers tonight with a mage kite strat...which may buy some additional time as the first controller adds some additional kiting to the mix; we really really do NOT want to volley unless it is absolutely necessary. Personally, I think they days of the kite are over but am willing to humor the raid leaders.

Euronymous · 04/21/06, 4:29 PM

Originally Posted by Praetorian,April 21st, 2006 @ 3:11PM

Haha yeah, embarrassing as it is, we wiped twice to Razorgore on our first two attempts with the brand new hardware. After I got done berating the raid for sucking, we scrapped our strategy completely, and just split into groups of 10 in each corner with separate MAs and killed everything except dragonkin. Really simple, actually.

B)

Brilliance · 04/21/06, 5:09 PM

Hope your happy.

Shattered Hand sucks balls because of you guys.

And doesnt everyone just sit at the orb and kill everything that comes at you? (well, split the raid 50/50 between the ramps)

LodeRunner · 04/21/06, 5:11 PM

Originally Posted by Brilliance,April 21st, 2006 @ 3:09PM

Hope your happy.

Shattered Hand sucks balls because of you guys.

And doesnt everyone just sit at the orb and kill everything that comes at you? (well, split the raid 50/50 between the ramps)

I've never been happy :emo:

What's wrong with you jerks you don't have the :emo: emote -mad-

flyinfungi · 04/21/06, 5:16 PM

We kitted the the orcs before the the new hardware. We still do the kitting strategy with the new hardware.

Digo · 04/21/06, 5:38 PM

Originally Posted by Praetorian,April 21st, 2006 @ 3:11PM

Haha yeah, embarrassing as it is, we wiped twice to Razorgore on our first two attempts with the brand new hardware. After I got done berating the raid for sucking, we scrapped our strategy completely, and just split into groups of 10 in each corner with separate MAs and killed everything except dragonkin. Really simple, actually.

I've been preaching this for months, but people still insist on kiting for some reason I can't comprehend.

Malorum · 04/21/06, 5:43 PM

Originally Posted by Digo,April 21st, 2006 @ 4:38PM

Originally Posted by Praetorian,April 21st, 2006 @ 3:11PM

Haha yeah, embarrassing as it is, we wiped twice to Razorgore on our first two attempts with the brand new hardware. After I got done berating the raid for sucking, we scrapped our strategy completely, and just split into groups of 10 in each corner with separate MAs and killed everything except dragonkin. Really simple, actually.

I've been preaching this for months, but people still insist on kiting for some reason I can't comprehend.

Ive always wanted to try to just DPS down the Razorgore fight once our raid DPS hit a certain point. Sounds like it would be a hell of alot more fun.

XI- · 04/21/06, 5:44 PM

Originally Posted by Digo,April 21st, 2006 @ 4:38PM

Originally Posted by Praetorian,April 21st, 2006 @ 3:11PM

Haha yeah, embarrassing as it is, we wiped twice to Razorgore on our first two attempts with the brand new hardware. After I got done berating the raid for sucking, we scrapped our strategy completely, and just split into groups of 10 in each corner with separate MAs and killed everything except dragonkin. Really simple, actually.

I've been preaching this for months, but people still insist on kiting for some reason I can't comprehend.

It's pretty easy, although we do still have 1 warrior who enjoys aggroing as many mobs as he can, and training them in circles.

• Montantu · 04/21/06, 7:00 PM

Originally Posted by flyinfungi,April 21st, 2006 @ 4:16PM

We kitted the the orcs before the the new hardware. We still do the kitting strategy with the new hardware.

Ditto.

Shlomi · 04/21/06, 7:18 PM

Originally Posted by Michad,April 21st, 2006 @ 4:43PM

Ive always wanted to try to just DPS down the Razorgore fight once our raid DPS hit a certain point. Sounds like it would be a hell of alot more fun.

How much DPS would you consider to be required? Our alliance has taken Rags down twice now (last night using flasks on only the tanks and the FR buff from UBRS) and have our eyes on BWL, I've always felt we're fairly DPS heavy, but how much is "enough" ?