So Deathwing got a new server, much like Mal'Ganis recently. Hooray! Lag-Free BWL...finally!

Except that we ought to have been careful what we wished for.

Razorgore has become nigh impossible now. And we are in the midst of trying many many different strategies now.

Have you had to alter your strat in BWL now that there is zero-lag? I've noticed in the Shaman kiting strat alone...that Legos loooooooooooooooooove to NOT get slowed by Earthbind totems...and just truck right through as if we hadn't dropped the totems at all.

If we can even keep the totems up...

Haha yeah, embarrassing as it is, we wiped twice to Razorgore on our first two attempts with the brand new hardware. After I got done berating the raid for sucking, we scrapped our strategy completely, and just split into groups of 10 in each corner with separate MAs and killed everything except dragonkin. Really simple, actually.

I know half the WoW population has to do it without shamans kiting. We've done it horde side before without it when we had limited shaman numbers. Piercing Howl and healing works well enough. I know others do it by killing the legos, but I have no experience with it.

This has been the Goon Squad pro strat. Just kill the buggers. There was a really vocal proponent or two of Shaman kiting but that never got off the ground. Assuming you've been doing BWL for a while your raid DPS and survivability should be a mile ahead of what it was the first time you were getting your Razorgore strategy down. The orcs die fast.

We managed to kill Razorgore once using the kiting strat in about 3 months. Then we switched to just murdering everything bar dragons and we dropped him after about 3 or 4 tries.

So long as you have some mean bastard DPS, it seems a lot simpler, and we had mean enough DPS pre-BWL just stacking in a few extra DPS warriors.

Come to think of it, most of our strats involve having a giant heap of mean DPS warriors. I blame our Rogues/Mages.

Yep. Just as I had guessed. We've only tried to lego/mage kill strat a few times and have gotten very very close...so perhaps we will look to perfect this instead. It would seem that some corners handle their mobs very well...and others get dual mages followed by dual legos, and trying to control them is like trying to get Blizzard to communicate a C'thun bugfix.

We are also going to investigate switching controllers tonight with a mage kite strat...which may buy some additional time as the first controller adds some additional kiting to the mix; we really really do NOT want to volley unless it is absolutely necessary. Personally, I think they days of the kite are over but am willing to humor the raid leaders.

Hope your happy.

Shattered Hand sucks balls because of you guys.

And doesnt everyone just sit at the orb and kill everything that comes at you? (well, split the raid 50/50 between the ramps)

I've never been happy :emo:

What's wrong with you jerks you don't have the :emo: emote -mad-

We kitted the the orcs before the the new hardware. We still do the kitting strategy with the new hardware.

I've been preaching this for months, but people still insist on kiting for some reason I can't comprehend.

Ive always wanted to try to just DPS down the Razorgore fight once our raid DPS hit a certain point. Sounds like it would be a hell of alot more fun.

Ditto.

How much DPS would you consider to be required? Our alliance has taken Rags down twice now (last night using flasks on only the tanks and the FR buff from UBRS) and have our eyes on BWL, I've always felt we're fairly DPS heavy, but how much is "enough" ?

My former guild used a mix of some of the strats you all have touched on. Basically, we had dps/tank groups in each corner killing mages and warriors tanking legos. Once each warrior grabbed 3-4 warriors, they all started kiting in a big loop. Some had piercing howl, some did it just fine without. We had hunters and warlocks fearing/kiting dragonkin and druids sleeping them.

Once we got down to about 10 eggs or so, we pretty much let all hell break loose, ping ponging with warrior/priest fearbombs, Razorgore AoE's and mage frost novas. We did this without the lag you guys are talking about, though some nights the lag was so bad it didn't really matter. Then again with the nerf to intimidating shout this aspect of the fight might be a little sketchy.

The guild I'm in now uses a completely different strategy, involving fears at the beginning and our MT forming a huge train of all the lego's and some dragonkin and kiting them around the entire room.

No guild I've been in has tried an all out DPS strategy, but I'm sure that's fun as hell to execute.

I guess the conclusion at the end of all this is that razorgore is an awesome encounter because of all the ways it can be done, and I don't think many guilds use the exact same plan, at least within a server.

You probably don't have enough.

We killed Rag early this year and this strat is working fine for us. Mind you we have some crazy dps poopsocking (thanks Ruro) rogues. :)

Because it looks awesome

It really does. I remember a while ago, one of our hunters kited pretty much the ENTIRE room. He picked up every single dragon that spawned, and he started stealing Legionnaires from the Shamans when mobs stopped spawning. Razorgore controller just stood there waiting by the last egg, as that crazy hunter ran around the room with 15ish dragons and ~10-15 legionnaires after him. Then people got impatient and wanted to get it over with before he could pick up the remaining mobs. Sadly we didn't fraps it :(

The best part of kiting is frost nova insta-gibs

Our server just moved recently and last week we really were wondering what the hell was up while we were trying to do Razorgore phase 1. We wiped like once, then downed him.

We still use the kiting strategy. I'm not really sure we have the consistent dependable DPS to just kill all his adds. Our best Rag kill so far was only 5% before sons.

Weird, it's like everyone went and grew a vagina. "We can only get Rag to 5% before the sons die?" What the hell? You have already far and away exceeded the amount of DPS required to kill 1-2 orcs (6k hp?) in 15 seconds. Just divide your raid up into 4 groups of 10 and kill the stupid orcs.

Your druids should be capable of sleeping a dragon and your orb controller should be good enough to keep 4-5 dragons locked down. That leaves between 2-3 dragons (depending on number of druids) running around at any given time, which should be easy enough to offtank or ping-pong with hunters.

5% before Sons is incredibly good. :P