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Old 04/25/06, 7:24 AM   #1
DiamondFox
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Hi,

looking for advice from some Elitist Jerks - think I'm in the right place :D

I have been wondering how good the Might of Cenarius is for Combat Dagger Rogues.

Adding +4 base damage to both daggers sounds quite appealing. Does anyone have any data/experience on how well it stacks up against other rings in game?

I am currently using Master Dragon Slayer's Ring and Ring of Fury

Also, its only a matter of days before I get Signet Ring of the Bronze Dragonflight

Hope someone has some useful info

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Old 04/25/06, 8:00 AM   #2
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I think Kalman can probably provide a little more insight as to what you should use as that +4 is similar to the +5 damage weapon enchant that he has rated so high on his wonderful spreadsheet, I think. Personally, I'd stick with what you have already.

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Old 04/25/06, 8:23 AM   #3
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I was told that the dagger doesn't add +4 weapon dmg but just adds +4 dmg to the attack after all the other calculations have been put in.

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Old 04/25/06, 8:43 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Ailideon,April 25th, 2006 @ 7:23AM
I was told that the dagger doesn't add +4 weapon dmg but just adds +4 dmg to the attack after all the other calculations have been put in.
Hmm,

I find that hard to believe - the Ring would not be worthy of its Epic status if true.

Everything I have read so far points to the fact it adds +4 dmg to all weapons - that is Main Hand, Off Hand and Gun/Bow/Xbow before any calculations.

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Old 04/25/06, 8:44 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Ailideon,April 25th, 2006 @ 8:23AM
I was told that the dagger doesn't add +4 weapon dmg but just adds +4 dmg to the attack after all the other calculations have been put in.
By whom? :huh:

That's not right at all.

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Old 04/25/06, 9:01 AM   #6
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The way I understand it, a dagger rogue would get the most out of this ring, and the equivalent AP would be nuts, like 70 or so. Depends on your weapon speeds of course - the faster, the better (in this lonely isolated circumstance).

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Old 04/25/06, 9:21 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Louie,April 25th, 2006 @ 8:01AM
The way I understand it, a dagger rogue would get the most out of this ring, and the equivalent AP would be nuts, like 70 or so. Depends on your weapon speeds of course - the faster, the better (in this lonely isolated circumstance).
This is encouraging and exactly what I wanted to hear. Think I will try and grab it this weekend and do some testing of my own.

+4 Might of Cenarius
+5 Superior Striking
+8 dense sharpening

= +18 on Mainhand which is pretty wild

I currently use BQP in main hand and DFB in offhand with +5dmg and +15agi enchants on them respectively.

Looks like I got myself a project :ph34r:

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Old 04/25/06, 9:22 AM   #8
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Ok, you can stop signing your posts now.

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Old 04/25/06, 9:46 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Kaubel,April 25th, 2006 @ 8:22AM
Ok, you can stop signing your posts now.
oh come on kaubel

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Old 04/25/06, 9:47 AM   #10
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Master Dragonslayer's Ring:

42AP == 3DPS

3DPS * 1.7 AP modifier = 5.1 damage.

Ring of Fury == 2.14DPS

2.14 * 1.7 = 3.7 damage.

4 Damage / 1.8 speed = 2.22 DPS
4 Damage / 1.7 speed = 2.35 DPS

Since the offhand modifier is applied equally to the offhand with all weapons, it essentially depends on the speed of your offhand about which is substantially better.

WoC w/ 1.4 offhand = 2.9 DPS

WoC w/ 1.6 offhand = 2.5 DPS

Essentially what it comes down to is that you can replace your Ring of Fury with the Wrath of Cenarius, but not your Master Dragonslayer's Ring.

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Old 04/25/06, 10:01 AM   #11
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Dont waste your time on the quests. Grab Signent ring or wait for a Qiraj fury/QS ring. If you are into the quests already I would grab Earthstrike.


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Old 04/25/06, 10:34 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Silverblood,April 25th, 2006 @ 9:01AM
Dont waste your time on the quests. Grab Signent ring or wait for a Qiraj fury/QS ring. If you are into the quests already I would grab Earthstrike.
You realize, of course, that you have to do the quest with Might of Cenarius as a reward to get Earthstrike, right?

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Old 04/25/06, 10:38 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Kytrarewn,April 25th, 2006 @ 9:34AM
Originally Posted by Silverblood,April 25th, 2006 @ 9:01AM
Dont waste your time on the quests. Grab Signent ring or wait for a Qiraj fury/QS ring. If you are into the quests already I would grab Earthstrike.
You realize, of course, that you have to do the quest with Might of Cenarius as a reward to get Earthstrike, right?
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Old 04/25/06, 10:40 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Kytrarewn,April 25th, 2006 @ 8:47AM
Master Dragonslayer's Ring:

42AP == 3DPS

3DPS * 1.7 AP modifier = 5.1 damage.

Ring of Fury == 2.14DPS

2.14 * 1.7 = 3.7 damage.

4 Damage / 1.8 speed = 2.22 DPS
4 Damage / 1.7 speed = 2.35 DPS

Since the offhand modifier is applied equally to the offhand with all weapons, it essentially depends on the speed of your offhand about which is substantially better.

WoC w/ 1.4 offhand = 2.9 DPS

WoC w/ 1.6 offhand = 2.5 DPS

Essentially what it comes down to is that you can replace your Ring of Fury with the Wrath of Cenarius, but not your Master Dragonslayer's Ring.
master dragon slayer is 48ap so wouldn't it be 48/14 making it roughly 3.43 dps then multiply by 1.7 = 5.83 damage

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Old 04/25/06, 10:41 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by Kytrarewn,April 25th, 2006 @ 9:34AM
You realize, of course, that you have to do the quest with Might of Cenarius as a reward to get Earthstrike, right?
How do you figure? AFAIK Stalwart's Battlegear isn't a prereq quest to Champion's Battlegear.

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