Priest Gear - Page 2

♦ Praetorian · 04/27/06, 10:49 AM

Rank 1 GH isn't mana efficient? Are you on crack?

• Zoid · 04/27/06, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Shalas,April 27th, 2006 @ 6:44AM

Except for that you had to use a less mana-efficient heal to be able to get that 10%. How much of your healing is from GH compared to non-GH to get that 10%?

Gurg beat me to it, but my primary heal spell is Greater Heal (Rank 1) now. I cast it more than anything else on my bar.

Flash heal is only something I use when I know I have to get a heal on there as fast as possible.

And yes, the fact that the set bonus triggers the exact same bonus on a Rank 1 Greater Heal as a Rank 5 Greater Heal is why its so amazing.

Guild insider info Edit:

Back when Blackwing first came out, I posted a thread in our internal guild forums called, "Why should I loot Transcendence?" Initially, Transcendence didn't look all that better than Prophecy. Of course, we all knew the 15% mana regen set bonus was awesome, but no one understood the effectiveness of the other two set bonuses: reactive-fade and the greater heal extra renew. We didn't know if the extra renew was affected by +healing or if it even stacked with a regular cast renew. My original plan was 3 Transcendence and 5 pieces of Prophecy giving the 15% mana regen bonus and a 1.4 second cast on Flash Heal. Of course, these days our primary heal spell is Greater Heal and not Flash Heal.

The 1.10 changes to the Priest class itself made Transcendence even better. I'm honestly a bit worried that I might be a prisoner of the set (and the 8 piece bonus) for a long time since its going to have to be some incredible loot to want to make me break the set. We already have better individual healing pieces being passed to priests who don't have the 8 piece set bonus. Other priests using a mix of the gear have more individual +healing than I do, but don't have the set bonus.

• Shalas · 04/27/06, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Praetorian,April 27th, 2006 @ 9:49AM

Rank 1 GH isn't mana efficient? Are you on crack?

Compared to Heal2. For me, GH1 is 5.6 hp/mana, compared to 7.1 hp/mana for Heal2.

Same +healing benefit on both of them, but GH costs almost twice as much mana.

♦ Praetorian · 04/27/06, 11:01 AM

But if you factor in the set bonus, the ratio exceeds 9:1, which is why the set is so good.

• Shalas · 04/27/06, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Praetorian,April 27th, 2006 @ 10:01AM

But if you factor in the set bonus, the ratio exceeds 9:1, which is why the set is so good.

If only 10% of your healing is from the set bonus and the other 90% is from GH, you're only at about 6.5 hp/mana with the set bonus.

Of course, you're also spending significantly less time out of the 5SR, which I suspect is actually the main difference.

• Zoid · 04/27/06, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Shalas,April 27th, 2006 @ 7:09AM

If only 10% of your healing is from the set bonus and the other 90% is from GH, you're only at about 6.5 hp/mana with the set bonus.

My usual method on a main tank is cast GH rank 1 when he's down a bit to stick on the 8/8 Renew bonus, then I throw a Rank 10 renew on him. Now I have two renews ticking on him. I spot flashes on him as needed for the next 15 seconds, then I repeat with another Rank 1 GH to stick the Renew back on, etc.

I've actually not tried out Heal (Rank 2) much at all. I think I remember reading it's the most effective health per mana ratio, but there's more to healing than just that. It's a lot more reactive in WoW than other games. I'm always starting to cast and dancing around to cancel it if I see the tank is full.

Malorum · 04/27/06, 11:43 AM

Do those of you that use 8/8 transcendence find yourselves gimped in the regen department considering the lack of spirit and mp5 on the entire transcendence set or with the amount of +healing do you find it more mana efficient?

I find that healing meters over a period of time can be quite innaccurate due to the overhealing that Damage Meters cant track properly so the output of true efficiency is somewhat skewed.

I myself have 8/8 Trans, Robes of the Guardian Saint, Shimmering Getas, Angelista's Charm, and Ring of the Matyr. Ive played around with both different types of setups and i constantly find myself favoring my +healing/mp5 setup over the 8/8 Transcendence. With mageblood, nightfin soup and mana oil (Put on Staff of Rampant Growth for midcombat switchouts) i can top out at over 120 mp5. I presume that since we only have 2 priests with full Transcendence in our guild and others with only 5/8 weve hadnt had much opportunity to test out having different specs in combo with 8/8. Kinda sucks when our best regenning priests are also the two with 8/8.

Comments welcome.

Sunder · 04/27/06, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Michad,April 27th, 2006 @ 10:43AM

I find that healing meters over a period of time can be quite innaccurate due to the overhealing that Damage Meters cant track properly so the output of true efficiency is somewhat skewed.

SW Stats

This is so much better than Damage Meters it's not even close. Effective Healing is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And even against 2 8/8 Priests, I can compete just fine in the Effective Healing department with 5/8 and +healing/mp5 setup.

♦ Praetorian · 04/27/06, 11:47 AM

I agree that in the long run swapping out 5 pieces of Trans for the high-end AQ40 loot (Fankriss robes, Huhu gloves, Emps bracers, Ouro hat, C'Thun belt) would yield a clearly superior set.

But in the meantime, if you aren't ever really having serious mana issues then the pure healing benefits of 8/8 Trans have no real downside. If longevity becomes a more serious problem, we may see a shift away from Trans down the line.

Malorum · 04/27/06, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Sunder,April 27th, 2006 @ 10:46AM

Originally Posted by Michad,April 27th, 2006 @ 10:43AM

I find that healing meters over a period of time can be quite innaccurate due to the overhealing that Damage Meters cant track properly so the output of true efficiency is somewhat skewed.

SW Stats

This is so much better than Damage Meters it's not even close. Effective Healing is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And even against 2 8/8 Priests, I can compete just fine in the Effective Healing department with 5/8 and +healing/mp5 setup.

Ill have to try out SW Stats and compare. I just find Damage Meters highly overrated from a healing standpoint due to its inability to figure out "TRUE" effective healing.

I agree that in the long run swapping out 5 pieces of Trans for the high-end AQ40 loot (Fankriss robes, Huhu gloves, Emps bracers, Ouro hat, C'Thun belt) would yield a clearly superior set.

Over the past few weeks with what i have now ive found a high mp5/+healing setup in my opinion to be far superior to 8/8. The sheer ability to have staying power as a healer with next to no downtime and using the occasional mana pot is invaluable in most long fights such as Nefarian. I think my SVI Addon topped out at 250 int/mp5 (equates to over 25,000 mana regened in a Nef fight).

Drauk · 04/27/06, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Praetorian,April 27th, 2006 @ 10:47AM

Ouro hat

What hat ?

Jazzer · 04/27/06, 12:48 PM

I personally would have a hard time breaking up my 8/8 trans bonus although I've been contemplating it with each priest in my guild that is getting 8/8 now.

I'm always amazed at what my recap shows after any BWL or AQ clear. For instance, just last night, for a portion of AQ, my gheal did ~160k healing, and the free renew did ~40k.

I use rank5 gheal the most, and while overheal is generally high when using this (~30%, most of which comes from a completely wasted heal due to another heal landing just prior to mine), I still find it quite useful and mana is rarely an issue for me. On fights like the twin emps, we have paladins spamming FoL to keep up with the small hits while I'm almost always mid-cast with a rank5 gheal. I have been toying around with using rank 1 to tag a target with the bonus renew however.

♦ Praetorian · 04/27/06, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Drauk,April 27th, 2006 @ 12:48PM

Originally Posted by Praetorian,April 27th, 2006 @ 10:47AM

Ouro hat

What hat ?

This one.

subscience · 04/27/06, 12:55 PM

Don Rigoberto sounds like a frozen burrito. But that's a pretty sexy hat.

Crossbones · 04/27/06, 1:10 PM

I'm trying for the full +heal non-set (a big reason is I enjoy PvPing and the non set stuff is mostly superior to trans). I just wish the Robes of the Guardian Saint didn't make me look so stupid. I'm sure with a name like "Don Rigoberto's Lost Hat", once we kill Ouro and it drops I will only enchance how ridiculous my character looks.