He had disclaimed that Felstriker was the only weapon that didnt correctly take into account the proc effect (I believe).

My guess would be if you have access to a Pugio or any naxx weapons, this isn't really a question. Seeing as how you only need 5 people to farm DK wing for a Harbinger, does that answer the question? :)

Since BWL is on farm for 3 weeks now and AQ gates arent open on server and were still waiting on 5-10 more ppl to get attuned for nax which means after thursday I'm extremly bored... do you think thats possible? the 5 people I assume are hunter/mages? :O

Oops, my bad then.

From my naive perspective I would certainly replace the Felstriker with DFB, and probably would even replace it with CHT. Like you, I'm not fond of unreliable procs, especially from the OH, and I always considered Felstriker to be a superior OH weapon for a sword rogue than a dagger rogue, considering how often BS crits anyways, and how likely you are to squeeze off a SS in your 3 second proc vs. BS (and considering how much more likely a SS rogue will have combo points built up for an Evisc, as apposed to a combat dagger rogue).

But this is just my own elementary theorycraft, nothing substantial behind it.

Where in your original "I can't read the spreadsheet" post did you outline any of that?

Thanks for the snark though.

Enjoy your felstriker.

huh?

I meant it as a reply to We have horible luck on daggers for the dagger rogues, so instead of doing nothing waiting for resets I would rather help some of the the other rogues. Anyway some mages explained me how to do it today so nvm. Maybe I or you misunderstood each other's post though, considering I'm swords and I have no idea where you got the felstriker line from.

Question about this spreadsheet and trinkets. With the use of Earthstrike, Jom Gabbar, etc, does it calculate the average AP bonus or take into account the extra boost you'd get from using it with AR/BF/Tea? I'm kind of sad seeing Hand of Justice on par or greater then Earthstrike after that huge grind when it came out...

generally I think it just prorates the values for all the uses, over their respective cooldowns. Like blade flurry is 20% haste for 15 seconds every 2 minutes, so (1.2 * 15) / 120 is how its modeled, as far as I can tell. I definitely think this is one of the failings of the spreadsheet because stacking active trinkets is crazy dps burst, but at the same time especially given that most things will be on differing cooldowns, its probably the only effective way of doing it.

Working as intended.
It's not just 0.1 dps loss, but a 10% reduction in weapon speed. If you're wearing BF, you'll have a reasonable amount of AP, hence you're losing a fair amount on a hemo (1.8*Ap/14 as opposed to 2.0*Ap/14). That will exceed the poison gains.

More to the point...
What the hell are you doing trying to Hemo with daggers? o.O

I think he is refering the off-hand. Sword (or whatever) MH and dagger OH is pretty common for hemo.

On occasion, it has been noted, that under certain circumstances, without prior warning, and contrary to previous evidence, that I am an idiot.

In short, I haven't a bloody clue then.

I can only suggest it's something buried in the Combat swords sheet I modified rather than the changes I made to 'hemo' it - as I can't think of anything I changed that would create that discrepancy.


Edit:
Ooo, oooo, I know!
Dagger spec!

Hang on, back to using Dagger mainhand then though. Ah nuts!

The host is not the best, but it's free. Occasionally, it gets overloaded and goes down.

The on-use trinkets are taking an average over the time, so Earthstrike macroed with blade flurry and waiting for full energy is going to be stronger than the spreadsheet suggests. It's a downfall of the spreadsheet, but it would be very difficult to model correctly given the different cooldowns on various trinkets and abilities.

Thank you for bringing this back up. I have found the issues causing this problem and have fixed them. I plan on releasing new versions tomorrow with this fix and few others.

This will probably be the last spreadsheet release from me for a while, as I am going to start work on overhauling +skill itemization and how it is incorporated into the sheets. Also, I am going to put forth an effort to merge the two sheets as they have so much redundant data. So, if you know of a bug, put it out there before tomorrow so that it can be fixed without a long delay.

Seriously, Pf, shoot me a PM or email - I need your email address. I have a version merging your front-end with the CP/Cycle backend which I figured you might want to take a look at.

On my version, 1.15c, there is no option for Bow Of Taut Sinew. It isn't that great, but its the only bow I have >.>

Other then that, it seems pretty accurate. Last MC run, I went all out on Garr, came out with like 404ish unbuffed DPS and the spreadsheet has me at 400 unbuffed DPS, so yeah. Still waiting for me to get into a Flamegor kill to test out buffed DPS however (my guild isn't at patchwerk)

EDIT: I think bonescythe ring is 20str 20agi 10sta 1% hit now. Not 30 agi/10sta 1%hit.

And when you're finished with that pf, I'll ninja it to add the Hemo version again...
I'd particularly like a version with a revised CP/Cycle as Hemo's considerably different from Daggers/Swords so I hope you do get together with Kalman :D

New versions are up: http://savefile.com/projects/1009097

Changelog for both:
Added Bow of Taut Sinew
Added Gressil as an offhand option.
Updated Bonescythe ring stats.
Changed name and stats on Stormrage's Talisman of Seething, less stam, less ap, less ownage :(

Dagger only:
Fixed offhand sword problems for nextstat sheet and offhand skill being applied to backstab critrate
Fixed stats on The Hungering Cold, +skill is not counted yet (should work next release)
8/8 bloodfang now properly affected by buffed critrate


As stated before, the next version will probably take a while as it will include some large overhauls that include +skill modifications, merging of the sheets, and hopefully adding Kalman's cycle analysis.

By updating to the newest spreadsheets (was previously using the latest 1.14):

Old - 530.12 unbuffed
New - 517.37 unbuffed

Same items, stats, everything. Wondering what caused the change. I read a bit into the changes you made, but that's pretty drastic. Did I miss something?

Pf, I have a fix to get the right offhand skill on your combat daggers sheet (if you're offhanding a sword).

'Buffed DPS'.Q7 can be changed to:
I've checked it with daggers, normal swords, Maladath, humans, and it seems to behave rationally.

I didn't bother adding logic checks for mace or fist, simply because the number of people offhanding one of those with a dagger is far fewer.

Graecus:

Can you give a little more detail into the problem?

What sheet are you using?
What set bonuses do you have?
Are your talents the same on both sheets?

I ask this, because putting in your gear to the best of my ability from your allakhazam profile and ctprofile, I get the following results:
1.14: 512.53
1.15: 515.57

The slight increase listed there is from a fix in the backstab formula and its accounting for dodged backstabs. I would suggest double checking set bonuses/enchants/talents.

Much thanks for the update pf. Keep up the good work.

I totally noobed it, 1.14 had D5 dual, 1.15 had Inst dual. My bad, sorry. I do greatly appreciate your post though, made me go back and double check. Love the sheet, thanks for continuing it.

pf, Just a minor suggestion: Could you maybe open a new thread for your version of the spreadsheet?

This way you could keep the first post updated to always link to the most recent version, as chalon did. Would make it a lot more conveniet than to page through the last 5+ pages of the thread in order to make sure I have the current version.