Not seen it elsewhere, apologies if it's a double post...
We've recently completed an extensive review of the Shaman class, plugging in many changes for the next major content patch.
One of the first thing we reviewed was the mana cost for each Shaman spell and ability. The following list of spells will see a reduction in mana cost upon the release of the next patch.
# Searing Totem - Mana cost reduced.
# Mana Spring Totem - Mana cost reduced.
# Healing Stream Totem - Mana cost reduced.
# Rockbiter, Frostbrand, Flametongue and Windfury Weapon - Mana costs reduced.
# Lightning Bolt - Mana cost reduced.
Next we took a took a pass at the duration for each Shaman spell and ability. This next list outlines spells which will see an increase to spell duration for patch 1.11.
Players should also be happy to know that skill levels gained with two weapons when specced with the "Two-Handed Axes/Maces Enhancement Talent" will now be retained should a player unspend this talent point and return to it later.
Since we're on the topic of talents, I thought I'd give you some insight to a number of upcoming changes specifically affecting talents for the next patch. A full preview will be available through the interactive talent calculator, which should go live sometime in the next couple of days. Please note when reviewing these changes that it isn't necessarily comprehensive of every change, and that all numbers provided are based upon maximum rank investment.
Elemental
Starting with the first tier, you'll immediately notice that Convection has replaced Improved Lightning Bolt. Only now the passive effect of Convection will reduce the mana cost of Shock, Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning spells by 10%. Similarly, you'll notice that the Concussion will now improve damage done by Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning by 5%, in addition to Shock spells.
Moving along to the second tier, you'll notice Earth's Grasp, a talent that increases the health of the Stoneclaw Totem by 50% and the radius of the Earthbind Totem by 20%, for a mere two points. This is a significant improvement over the current Improved Stoneclaw Totem talent.
Call of Flame will now increase damage done by Fire Totems by 15% for 3 points, rather than 10% for 5 points.
The final tier 2 talent available is completely new -- Elemental Warding. For three points this talent will reduce damage taken from Fire, Frost and Nature effects by 10%.
Outside of the fact that there is no longer a prerequisite for Reverberation there are no changes to the tier 3 Elemental talents.
The fourth tier now has a few more options available beyond just Improved Fire Nova Totem -- which is now named Improved Fire Totems, and now decreases the threat generated by the Magma Totem by 50%, in addition to the two second reduction to the delay before the Fire Nova Totem activates. Those new options are:
Eye of the Storm (3 points): Gives you a 100% chance to gain the Focused Casting effect that lasts for 6 sec after being the victim of a melee or ranged critical strike. The Focused Casting effect prevents you from losing casting time when taking damage.
Storm Reach (2 points): Increase the range of your Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning Bolt spells by 6 yards.
Deeper into the tree, at tier 5 you'll notice another new talent -- Elemental Devastation. For three points, your offensive spell crits will increase your chance to get a critical strike with melee attacks by 9% for 10 seconds.
Competing with this talent is Elemental Fury, left unchanged.
The second to final talent in this tree is Lightning Mastery, while left unchanged now requires Call of Thunder.
Toping off this tree, the 31-point talent, Elemental Mastery will now reduce the mana cost of the next spell by 100%, in addition to giving your next Fire, Frost or Nature spell a 100% critical strike chance. Also, the cooldown has been reduced to 3 minutes, from 5.
Enhancement
The only change to the first tier of talent in this tree affects Shield Specialization, which now offers a 25% increase to the amount of damage blocked by shields, in addition to improving block chance by 5%.
Moving onto tier 2 talents, you'll also notice only a single change. Guardian Totems, which replaces the Improved Stoneskin Totem talent, reduces the cooldown of the Grounding Totem by 2 seconds and increases the effect of both the Stoneskin Totem and Windwall Totem by 20%.
Upon reaching tier 3, players will notice that the Improved Strength of Earth Totem talent has been replaced with Enhancing Totems which increases the effect of Earth and Grace of Air Totems by 15%.
Flurry and Toughness will now be the tier 4 options, both left unchanged.
Competing with Parry, at tier 5 will be two new talents:
Improved Weapon Totems (2 points): Increases the melee attack power bonus of your Windfury Totem by 30% and the damage of your Flametongue Totem by 12%.
Elemental Weapons (3 points): Increases attack power bonus of Rockbiter by 20%, Windfury by 40% and damage of Flametongue/Frostbrand by 15%.
Weapon Mastery, now the new 26 point talent increases the damage you deal with all weapons by 10%.
Lastly, Stormstrike, now the only 31-point talent option in this tree has had it's mana cost reduced and the cooldown shortened to 20 seconds.
Restoration
The first changes to this tree start at the 2nd tier. Improved Reincarnation will now resurrect the Shaman with 20% more health and mana, in addition to the 20 cooldown minute reduction. Ancestral Healing will provide the same benefit for only 3-points, and Totemic Focus will now reduce the mana cost of totems by 15% at max rank.
Four new talents are now available as tier 3 options.
Nature's Guidance (3 points): Increases chance to hit with melee and spells by 3%.
Healing Focus (5 points): Gives you a 70% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage while casting any healing spell.
Totemic Mastery (1 point): Increase radius of totems that affect friendly targets by 5 yards.
Healing Grace (3 points): Reduces threat caused by healing spells by 15%.
Combat Endurance, Eventide and Improved Lesser Healing Wave have been removed from the game completely, keeping Captain Placeholder company.
At tier 4, replacing the Improved Healing Stream Talent is Restorative Totems. A talent that increases the effect of the Mana Spring and Healing Stream Totems by 25%.
You'll notice two things at tier 5. Nature's Swiftness no longer has a prerequisite, and another brand new talent:
Healing Way (3 point): Healing Wave spells cast on the target cause an effect that increases the effectiveness of any Healing Wave spell cast on that target by 6% for 15 seconds. This effect will stack of to three times.
The last change to this tree affects the 31-point talent, Mana Tide Totem. Mana regen has been increased for all ranks.
Other notable changes, you should be aware of include:
# Windfury Weapon - Attack power bonus reduced. (This spell's effectiveness will now be more in line with other weapon enchantments).
# Flame Tongue Weapon - Damage increased.
# Rockbiter Weapon - Attack Power increased slightly.
# Flame Shock - Damage over time portion of all ranks slightly increased. Mana cost of ranks 3 through 5 decreased.
# Flame Shock - A new rank is available (rank 6) from Upper Blackrock Spire.
# Elemental Fury: Tooltip now indicates it increases the critical damage for Searing Totem, Magma Totem, and Fire Nova Totem.
# Fire Nova Totem: This totem now receives increased damage from effects that increase the Shaman's spell damage.
# Grounding Totem: This totem will no longer reflect the Mage talent Combustion back onto the Mage.
# Healing Wave Totem: This totem now receives increased damage from effects that increase the Shaman's spell damage.
# Magma Totem: This totem now receives increased damage from effects that increase the Shaman's spell damage.
# Searing Totem: This totem now receives increased damage from effects that increase the Shaman's spell damage.
# Windwall Totem: Greatly improved damage reduced by this totem.
So basically, a great patch, unless your a raider, in which case Blizzard has carefuly and neatly avoided every single comment made over the past 6 months. Healing buffs are great, but mana tide still being 31 points, only a 5 yard increase on totems with a talent point, etc. etc. just seems a huge oversight.
Anyone got the feeling that both the reviews for this patch were a bit rushed?
They fixed the useless talents along the way to mana tide, and removed a few bad talents, and combined a few talents into one new talent. Decent changes overall, I like the new resto talents.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
I don't see what all the complaining is here from a raiding perspective. New talents for reduced healing threat, increased totem range, Healing Way sounds like a big buff, and you can now improve the AP of your WF totem? That all sounds good to me.
Man was it a bad idea to try and combine the mage and shaman talent "reviews" together.
I think most mages and shaman would have rather waited for their reviews to come out seperatly so specific issues with their classes could be addressed rather than the dual review which attempts to bandaid both classes. Oh well, here's to free evocation and increased totem range!
While they didn't add everything people asked for (no pulsing on totem buffs), they did get quite a bit including longer duration totems with lower mana cost on many, and removing/merging garbage talents.
Not impressed at all... They did barely anything to make totems more viable in the raid game. 5 yards of extra range is something, but not near enough. In addition, just adding duration to some totems doesn't come close to solving the problem... they just completely missed the mark there.
This also appears to be a dps nerf for resto spec'd shaman due to the windfury change. It's seems they buffed abilities/totems that I don't really use anyway. I'm currently 0/21/30. I don't think my healing abilities are much effected by these changes one way or the other. My melee abilities will be nerfed due to the WF nerf and my ranged abilities will remain about the same due to no points in elemental.
I do think elemental got some nice love and the +dmg/heal now effecting totems is nice, but too little for my taste. Seems like horde raiding just took a kick in the gut... at least that's how I feel.
Anyhow, I'll be patient and see how this progresses and play with some talent calculators when they come out.
By the way, anyone think that
"Healing Way (3 point): Healing Wave spells cast on the target cause an effect that increases the effectiveness of any Healing Wave spell cast on that target by 6% for 15 seconds. This effect will stack of to three times. "
is a good tier 5 talent? Seems a bit underwhelming to me and I'm spec'd for 2.5 sec HW.
Improved Weapon Totems (2 points): Increases the melee attack power bonus of your Windfury Totem by 30% and the damage of your Flametongue Totem by 12%.
:D
Windfury Weapon - Attack power bonus reduced. (This spell's effectiveness will now be more in line with other weapon enchantments).
:(
It sure seems like they cleaned up the trees a lot, and made more builds viable. Why is it that when people get their changes and aren't suddenly turned into fiery gods of death and destruction, or whatever overpowered super-class they want, they scream nerf?
I will laugh if Mana Tide continues to not scale. Maybe it'll finally be worth more than half as much as BoW.
<08-07-09 02:09>[Velth] This is the behavior of a benefactor of the EJ forums?
I think Xi was pointing out that the basic totem mechanic post review still has all of the same problems it had pre-review, and that unless there's something else in the pipe to fix that, there will be quite a bit of innate imbalance between Horde and Alliance.
All of the trees were improved substantially at their core functionality, and that's a very good thing.
Waiting for Gurg's essay on the chanes, but I think overall it only proves how completely idiotic the changes blizzard makes are.
What? I don't even play a shaman and I can see that this has massive improvements in their healing potential.
What were you looking for?
I didn't even reflect on the resto changes :p. I really don't care what horde has in PvE or what alliance has, I don't play horde right now, so why would I care if shaman PvE got buffed. Excellant for them, hopefully it makes encounters easier. What I am concerned about is more 3k+ CL crits followed up with 2k shocks.
Anyhow, I'll be patient and see how this progresses and play with some talent calculators when they come out.
By the way, anyone think that
"Healing Way (3 point): Healing Wave spells cast on the target cause an effect that increases the effectiveness of any Healing Wave spell cast on that target by 6% for 15 seconds. This effect will stack of to three times. "
is a good tier 5 talent? Seems a bit underwhelming to me and I'm spec'd for 2.5 sec HW.
Wowhead should have a calculator by tomorrow.
The new Healing Way is a 18% increase in Healing Wave (looks like no LHW bonus). This would be great on a tank that gets spam healed, it seems bettter than Blessing of Light on a Warrior (assuming he got hit with Healing Wave a lot).
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
Random observations despite being an alliance junkie:
-Elemental mastery refunds the mana of any spell, healing-variety included, making it similar to inner focus for elemental raiding shaman.
-The sheer versatility of NS continues to overshadow any attempt at making 31 elem/enhance talents attractive. PvE or PvP, I still don't see anyone giving this up.
-Healing Way is currently the only healing talent that stacks with +heal gear and scales perfectly with lower-ranked spells. This is an absolutely phenomenal talent if you're heavy resto. I predict considerable priest/druid bitching.
That aside, I really don't have much experience with the class. I await Gurg's essay.
Improved Weapon Totems (2 points): Increases the melee attack power bonus of your Windfury Totem by 30% and the damage of your Flametongue Totem by 12%.
:D
Windfury Weapon - Attack power bonus reduced. (This spell's effectiveness will now be more in line with other weapon enchantments).
:(
It sure seems like they cleaned up the trees a lot, and made more builds viable. Why is it that when people get their changes and aren't suddenly turned into fiery gods of death and destruction, or whatever overpowered super-class they want, they scream nerf?
I will laugh if Mana Tide continues to not scale. Maybe it'll finally be worth more than half as much as BoW.
Windfury Weapon != Windfury Totem
WW is the shaman self-buff, and yeah, it strictly dominated all other weapon buffs from the moment you got it at level 30.
The long and short of my feelings on the change is that the only real nerf was the WF attack power change. Being that the bonus from talenting that is more than it was I'd assume that imp WF will still work out to around 800 AP on your WF swings. This makes a fair amount of sense in that enhancement shaman were really no better than other shaman in melee given the same gear up and similiar amounts of luck. Shaman, of any tree, just got a 10-15% buff across the board as far as what their spec'd function is.
The long and short of my feelings on the change is that the only real nerf was the WF attack power change. Being that the bonus from talenting that is more than it was I'd assume that imp WF will still work out to around 800 AP on your WF swings. This makes a fair amount of sense in that enhancement shaman were really no better than other shaman in melee given the same gear up and similiar amounts of luck. Shaman, of any tree, just got a 10-15% buff across the board as far as what their spec'd function is.
Without knowing magnitude of mana tide changes, where do you think the 10-15% buff in the resto tree lies? I don't really see one. I do agree that elemental got buffed.
Without knowing magnitude of mana tide changes, where do you think the 10-15% buff in the resto tree lies? I don't really see one. I do agree that elemental got buffed.
I think it depends on whether or not "lesser healing wave" is considered a "healing wave spell" for the purposes of Healing Way
If that's the case, then it's at least 18% overall improvement for "heal the main tank" fights like Firemaw and Nefarion.
Plus you're saving mana on totem costs with the increased duration, lower mana cost, and 15% reduction on totemic focus. Ancestral fortitude only costs 3 talent points, letting you pick up something nice like Nature's Guidance and getting some spell and melee hit chance (though its odd to see that talent in restoration)
Speccing for mana tide is no longer equivalent to throwing 10 points in the dumpster, you can actually pick that up. The actual amount that mana tide restores will have to be seen before we can say how valuable that is though.
Aside from restoration, one thing I found disappointing is that they chose to simply increase the damage on flametongue weapon. I was hoping they would have instead opted for a small coefficient from +damage gear like seal of righteousness. It still remains non scaling while windfury scales so they missed the mark there.
A part of me was hoping they would actually address the limitations of the whole totem mechanic, I should've remembered that core mechanics don't get changed, no matter how stupid the implementation is.
Still no reason at all to use a shaman in a caster group over a melee group. No raid- or class-TAT either, I feel bad for our mages.
Sure, these are all buffs, but not to the aspects that I personally at least would've wanted to see buffed. Shamans still fill the same role on raids as paladins, only they still are just worse at it. The 1-2 situations where a shaman will be dps'ing don't really count.
Well, I'm not sure this means they're necessarily flipping the bird to the shaman PvE community -- a mechanics overhaul is a much bigger deal than changing some numbers on some talents and isn't something I'd expect to see happen within the span of a single patch. We'll see. It's easy to bitch about what might have been, but if I'm better off when I log in on the day of 1.11 than I was the day before (and I will be), then I can at least be thankful for that.
And Shabadu, nah, there isn't anything I particularly would want to drop to get it. If I find myself pulling heal aggro off tanks on important aggro-sensitive boss fights in Naxx, then I'll certainly respec into it. But if all it means is that loose trash goes after me instead of a squishy priest, I can deal with that. (Edit, and yeah, with t3 armor and toughness I expect to have 7500+ armor buffed, so if someone has to get heal aggro, there are worse people in the world than me.)
05/08/06, 7:26 PM
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