It's not so much that draenei came out of nowhere, they were pretty important in the blood elf campaign in WC3, it's just the whole Sargeras revised thing that agitates me.

Night elves did not exist until warcraft 3. For that matter, neither did Tauren, pandaren, harpies, quillboar, centaur, naga, or whining about fucking lore.

Good point, night elves shouldn't be in the game either. Or pandaren.

or Orc

It's not the introduction of new races that bothers most people. It's like oh, an Elf. Another coloured Elf? ANOTHER elf? Cool. Lots of Elves.

This is just weird shit. The Draenei were something and now they're something else mashed into something else which doesn't really work so well. They could have, inversely, made the uncorrupted Draenei cool looking without making them Eredar and I don't think anyone would have cared.


... I'm more upset by the shoe thing too ... sniff ...

No, but the lore behind High Elves never had shit to do with the Night Elves until the Night Elves were introduced.

Why do you care? Whether or not it contradicts is impossible to tell. Any lore existing before the night elves about the origin of the high elves is probably long gone and forgotten. It could have, but no one cares, just like no one will care about draenei in a week/month/year/lifetime.

I didn't say I cared. I was explaining the cares, ok, the shoe issue is FAR more important.

I'm not so daft that I don't understand why this upsets people. By asking "Why do you care?" I'm not asking "Why are you upset?" I'm asking "Why does it bother you that the lore belonging to someone else was changed by the person whom that lore belongs to? What right do you have to be upset about something that does not belong to you, or affect you in any great way? Who shit in your cereal, and why are you upset over something like that?"

Because it's stupid and people generally get upset by stupidity? Like your post. Very upsetting.

Stupid doesn't make people upset. The fact that people are allowed to be stupid, while someone with self control does not allow themself to be stupid, creates resentment within the person who exercises self control. A person who shows compassion and understanding is invariably upset at some point in time because they allow other people to be assholes, knowing that if they behaved as an asshole does they would only exacerbate all the problems in the world.

Furthermore, if a person who exercises patience and understanding ever does allow himself a brief moment of assholishness, as is his right and the right he allows others to exercise frequently, people are generally not patient and understanding with that person.

Now, Taeme, do you believe everyone should be an asshole whenever they like?

Amberseal keeper. :V

As for the lore, I can and did say that. It still holds true. Of all the things in the world you could hold so close that it upsets you to see it change, why is it a fantasy story?

yeah they seem pretty upset i bet they're probably crying irl

I'd cry but I'm at work. ;_; Dog the Bounty Hunter, plz hold me.

It's time that would otherwise be spent studying for my tax exam.

You don't need to study for that shit, I believe in you.

Wtf the womenz are sorta hot too. I hate you Blizzard.

go go Z-factor research probe!



a lot easier to see hehe. Sometimes i really do want to marry Wikipedia.

Hunter, Mage, Priest, Paladin, Warrior. Suggests Blood Elves will have rogues but not hunters if they want to balance it (although there is now a warlock imbalance so maybe not)

edit: http://www.malicesb.net/wapnew/exp-jewelcrafting.php

hard to know whether the race of the profession user is Draenei or not. However, given Blizzard having 225-300 at level 35, i think a level 60 300-375 is realistic for all professions (as mentioned earleir you cannot skin > level 60 mobs without more than 300 skinning).

Looking at BE and Draenei racials:

horde will have acess to superior enchanters, but the flip side is the Alliance have more proficient Jewellcrafters.

at least until the second expansion *smiles*

It's a few pages old but I have to say I totally and utterly agree.

I am a very casual player, levelling up to 60 took me about 6 months. But at that point we pretty much immediately started moving into MC & ZG, in a guild alliance. I know we were ages behind the cutting edge and you're never going to be cutting edge playing a couple of nights a week with an alliance, but it's still been fun to go, wipe at Lucifron repeatedly, turn round and say "we need more gear". Go and gear up for a month, then come back and take him down, as well as 1/2 of MC. Now we're trying to do the same with Onyxia - keys the only limiting factor.

But one thing I don't understand is this mentality of people who just log in and do f*ck all at lvl 60. I mean what is the point? These are the guys who used to 10 man Strat/Scholo for gear. U never ever used to be able to get groups for DM because of all the idiots zerging the plaguelands.

Personally I love the idea of 5-10-manning ZG, or 20-manning BWL. That is huge, completely new content for what, 60% of the population. And they ought to damn well go and enjoy it, because it's great content.

Anyone who moans about not being able to do it as a casual player should try and do it.

It is pretty obvious that the difficulty of 5-man content would need to be ludicrous to be rewarded by epixixixix and therefore that those self same Stratholme Zergers would never ever have a chance of doing it. Just listen to the 45-minute Baron run whines....

Han shot first.

Yeah, why the hell did they change that? And why did they put Haden Christiansen in the end. :(

people who think the lore is fucked haven't read any of the books, source material, or even played any of the 3 warcraft games and their expansions. the devolution picture of the Draenei explains a lot (and does clear that particular problem up). Draenei are clearly advanced technologically beyond even the abilities of Gnomes, and are an enlightened race as old if not older than the trolls and elves. Look at Garona in wc3,



Skin tones, obviously Orc. But, for a half draenei, she isn't hunched over. Therefore, if you compare her to the female draenei priest above, apart from skin tone a lot of features (such as the hair) are very similar (muscular body tone down to her Orc genes). We can see that whilst the orc 'dna' has taken away a lot of the Eredar'esqu qualities, a lot is still prevelant.

As for the ship thing being 'starcraft >warcraft': transdimensional, not literally traveling through space. We know the dark portal is one of many such devices that link several worlds or planes, so for the Draenei to have had some aspect of mastery over this does make sense.

As for previous lore statements that said Draenor was native to the orcs, ogres and draenei, this is still true. Draenei (literal translation Exiled Ones) settled the world in orer to escape the persecution of the Legion, much in the asme way the orc's settled Kalimdor to escape Alliance persecution.

I am no Metzen but what we have in the expansion now are two races added, both with links to Outlands. Draenei (corrupted or uncorrupted) were in the game before, we knew of their existance, we just hadn't seen them before. The only thing that needs clearing up now are the Eredar and how they became one with the Legion (apart from through Sargeras)