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Old 04/11/07, 2:18 AM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #376
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Originally Posted by Liand View Post
It's a recently uncovered problem (http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.php?t=10719). Basically, you can't block when you put away your shield.
It's not that recently uncovered--I remember some knowledgeable person (Kenco?) mentioning it on this forum a very long time ago. It's just more talked-about now because of Paladins.

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0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
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3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.
 
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Old 04/11/07, 2:19 AM   #377
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Originally Posted by Pater View Post
I seem to be reading in other threads in this forum that there is now debate about whether there is truly a one-roll system, or if it's two-roll for special attacks (or perhaps I'm misunderstanding the debate). Can someone give a quick summary of the status on that?
Believe someone discovered a while back, testing with a Rogue, that specials are on a two-roll system while white hits are on a single-roll. I don't of any detailed tests for ranged or spell.

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2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.
 
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Old 04/11/07, 2:32 AM   #378
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So 2-roll means that first it has to hit, then it crits? i.e., for a player, using the conventions from post #1 here:

"roll 1" considers only M, P, D, B, and (C+H) is the residual (because players cannot crush, nor can we glance specials)

Then, if it's (C+H) then "roll 2" is
0% through C% = crit
C% through 100% = hit

Is that correct?
 
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Old 04/11/07, 4:27 AM   #379
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Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
It's not that recently uncovered--I remember some knowledgeable person (Kenco?) mentioning it on this forum a very long time ago. It's just more talked-about now because of Paladins.
Yes, that's one of the reasons why no one takes Shield Spec for Shaman. Caster Shaman are pretty much the only type who use shields, but it's worthless since anything but auto-attack will prevent you from blocking.
 
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Old 04/11/07, 3:36 PM   #380
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Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
C. Rage/Energy Generation
1 Rage generated per 30 damage dealt
1 Rage generated per 90 damage taken
Is that bit in the original post still correct? I thought rage normalization was more complicated than this.
 
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Old 04/11/07, 3:37 PM   #381
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Originally Posted by alienangel View Post
Is that bit in the original post still correct? I thought rage normalization was more complicated than this.
No, it's out of date. I stuck a note at the beginning of the OP about how old it is.

EDIT: Ok, well, I tried to, but it won't let me, because the post is too long.

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Old 04/11/07, 3:41 PM   #382
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edit: removed, wowwiki no longer out of service
 
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