How hard will Naxxramas be?

studski · 05/10/06, 2:25 PM

Well according to Tigole, very very hard.

Here's an interview he did with the NY Times in which he says that the EASIEST boss in Naxx will be Twin Emps Level. Sounds like fun.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/09/te...l?pagewanted=1

Also mentions that he was on vacation when all of the drama with C'thun and Ouro was going down.

Nite_Moogle · 05/10/06, 2:27 PM

The single day death records set by Vael and Razorgore might be in danger.

hamlet_the_lesser · 05/10/06, 3:55 PM

It shall be interesting. I dont think you will see the extreme range in difficulty that you see in AQ40 if the easiest boss is at Emps difficulty but I do think you will see alot less guilds at the end of naxx early on then you saw with AQ40 and BWL.

Brando · 05/10/06, 4:13 PM

Can anybody post a link to the Naxx trailer?? Work firewall doesn't like Blizzard Downloader :p

Bubba · 05/10/06, 8:52 PM

Interesting how it takes a NY Times interview to get as much and as good information as that out of Blizzard. I really like the things Tigole mentions about itemisation, and the simple realisation that they seriously fucked up the token system by dropping Reputation bombshells all over it. And don't get me started on resist gear implementation.

From what I've seen so far of the tier 3 sets and other Naxxramas gear, frankly I'm looking forward to leaving AQ in the fucking dust when 1.11 finally hits. I don't care how hard it is, if the rewards look the way they do right now then we won't be anywhere else.

As for the Naxxramas trailer (deathknights rule) : http://www.gamershell.com/news/30185.html

arch · 05/11/06, 10:07 AM

Yeah I agree. If naxxramas is properly tuned on release (or at least the majority of the bosses) then I dont see why you would continue raiding AQ. Hell, if you would start up a new guild from scratch you could probably go from greens > aq20/zg > bwl > Naxxramas.

hamlet_the_lesser · 05/11/06, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by arch

Yeah I agree. If naxxramas is properly tuned on release (or at least the majority of the bosses) then I dont see why you would continue raiding AQ. Hell, if you would start up a new guild from scratch you could probably go from greens > aq20/zg > bwl > Naxxramas.

MC will still always be a necessity IMO.

EJforumsaccount · 05/11/06, 10:13 AM

Well it seems to me that the way they've designed it is as such. It'd be difficult to get to Naxx before the expansion even, if you have to go through C'thun first if you were to start afresh now. If we don't go that far before Naxx I will be sorely dissapointed though, Deathdealer is really awesome.

arch · 05/11/06, 10:15 AM

Well sure, clearing MC before BWL would help a bit. But personally, I would do everything within my power to avoid ever setting foot there again. And I think it's very doable to go from ZG/AQ20 to BWL.

EJforumsaccount · 05/11/06, 10:17 AM

Doable by a pro group of players with a lot of money to buy craftable FR for Vael.

Leogh · 05/11/06, 10:20 AM

Is it safe to assume that the gear we get from Naxxramas will be the best available in the game until we get to the level 70 dungeons? It would suck if people were picking up comparable items with relatively no effort while leveling from 60 to 70.

Starks · 05/11/06, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Leogh

Is it safe to assume that the gear we get from Naxxramas will be the best available in the game until we get to the level 70 dungeons? It would suck if people were picking up comparable items with relatively no effort while leveling from 60 to 70.

Well if Naxx gear has a 90+ ilevel I don't really see that being matched by even the best level 70 blues...level 58 blue gear now (DM, Tier 0 sets) is around a 63 ilevel, so it's safe to assume that even BWL gear will be better than the blues you can obtain while levelling to 70.

hamlet_the_lesser · 05/11/06, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by arch

Well sure, clearing MC before BWL would help a bit. But personally, I would do everything within my power to avoid ever setting foot there again. And I think it's very doable to go from ZG/AQ20 to BWL.

How long have you been doing MC though? I know I have more than a year in now and I do it with some people that are brand new to it and it is still kinda fun. I dont think people need to farm it for as long as was needed in the past because there are alternatives but until the expansion and potentially faster alternatives to getting geared there is still no faster way to get a raid geared than farming MC.

I want to emphasize that I have no idea what the requirements will be gear wise for the 5 man lvl 70 instances but until that is proven MC is still a good place to go. Not to mention unless you are buying your gold you wont make enough money to buy craftable FR for all your raiders and there are only ok FR items that are not either MC related or crafted by MC items.

I can see a Brand new guild with solid players with no gear getting through BWL in maybe 3 months maybe but that is with raiding all available instances to get as much gear as possible.

Malorum · 05/11/06, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Leogh

Is it safe to assume that the gear we get from Naxxramas will be the best available in the game until we get to the level 70 dungeons? It would suck if people were picking up comparable items with relatively no effort while leveling from 60 to 70.

I highly doubt that you will be able to pick up anything that is anywhere near comparable in the lower instances while grinding to 70. The Tier 3 gear imo is meant to be a progressionary step to those lvl 70 raid instances hence why we are seeing items with such high iLVL to begin with. Tier 3 is going to be a requirement for sure for most raiding guilds to even succeed in the lvl 70 raid instances. Its going to be a good stepping stone imo.

arch · 05/11/06, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by hamlet

Originally Posted by arch

Well sure, clearing MC before BWL would help a bit. But personally, I would do everything within my power to avoid ever setting foot there again. And I think it's very doable to go from ZG/AQ20 to BWL.

How long have you been doing MC though? I know I have more than a year in now and I do it with some people that are brand new to it and it is still kinda fun. I dont think people need to farm it for as long as was needed in the past because there are alternatives but until the expansion and potentially faster alternatives to getting geared there is still no faster way to get a raid geared than farming MC.

I want to emphasize that I have no idea what the requirements will be gear wise for the 5 man lvl 70 instances but until that is proven MC is still a good place to go. Not to mention unless you are buying your gold you wont make enough money to buy craftable FR for all your raiders and there are only ok FR items that are not either MC related or crafted by MC items.

I can see a Brand new guild with solid players with no gear getting through BWL in maybe 3 months maybe but that is with raiding all available instances to get as much gear as possible.

I started raiding molten core over a year ago, and we stopped raiding it recently. Needless to say, I'm pretty damn tired of that place =/

I'm not disputing the fact that it would be very challenging to go from ZG/AQ20 to BWL. I'm just saying it would be doable.

Speaking of item levels, what kind of item level is tier3 at? If you compare ragnaros, nefarian and C'thun the jumps were: 78 > 83 > 88

I hope Kel'thuzad will break that pattern ^^

Bubba · 05/11/06, 11:04 AM

Like it or not though, Alting Core a great remedy to attrition.