Kerulak

I'm not a fan of Razorgore.

This encounter infuriates me. We've downed him about 5 times and there are nights where we can kill him in one or two pulls, and others...where we blow 2 hours and walk out defeated. So many guilds out there have done the kiting strategy in one shape or another that this has come to be accepted as "the" strategy. However, I fail to see how running around shooting things in the off-chance they don't catch up with you, kill you, train to a priest, and cause a chain reaction causing the entire raid to wipe a "strategy".

I would very much like to hear what the the gear/performance limitations on the kill-all strategy are. Honestly, I don't see how, if being properly crowd controlled, this can't be done across the board...and why so many guilds either fail at it or dismiss it as a valid strat. Seems to me it is as simple as:

1. Mage/Dragon : sleep dragon, kill mage, kill dragon.
2. Mage/Legion : poly legion, kill mage, kill legion.
3. Double spawn of any other type : sleep/poly right, kill left, kill right.

Am I out to lunch here? Is there other key piece to the kill-all that most guilds can't do simply because they are undergeared or irresponsible?

I can understand a Vael wipe due to bad luck. All your priests get BA out of the gate...fine, take the wipe, run back...and kill him on try #2. But this 10-12-14 wipe crap on Razor is getting old because a hunter "just happened" to have a dragon catch up and kill him.

Thoughts?

 

Maledict

Sorry to sound useless, but if you're still wiping like that, then somewhere in the guild you have some players who literally don't know how to play. Once you've killed him a few times, he should be very farmable - we've been using the kiting method since january, with no wipes since beginning of february.

I'd advise you to watch your hunters kiting the dragons, and see if it's a loose dragon thats causing the issue - or if they don't know how to kite the dragons properly. We had an issue for a while with a couple of the kiters not abusing the platforms, but once they figured that it it was smooth sailing.

You can always try the "kill" method, which is where only the dragons get CCed, everythign else die,s but you need a decent amount of dps for that. I wouldn't advise trying to kill *everything* that spawns, as the dragons have a lot of hitpoints, hit very hard, and if you aren't farming BWL I don't think you would have enough dps to kill them in time.

The kiting on RG should be very controllable, and pretty routine once you have got it sorted. If it's wiping every so often, it means someone somewhere isn't it right - it's very reliable from our experiance.

 

Mercutius

Hunters with a ton of run speed % increase or Aspect of the Cheetah should be fine. Plus, I run around tagging every dragon, so if a hunter does die, odds are most of his shit chases me, instead of fucking up a priest or someone else. I just run around spamming distracting shot, arcane shot and serpent sting.

We never lose anymore.

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Elendril

we use fireball volley to get aggro on razor, so when the rogue/hunter controlling the orb drops it, they get the entire room on them for easy kiting.

 

Starks

I wouldn't use AotC, it's awfully easy to get hit by a cleave or mage AoE and the it's good night. A speed enchant on your boots (not sure if it stacks on AB boots) and maybe hakkar buff is what you should have.

The way we do it though hunters don't even kite anything, just kill mages while a tank kites all the legos and dragons around.

 

Creediki

I love our strategy, I'm proud of it since we pulled it off in Blues/MC Purples.

1 group on each side of the dais w/ the orb. Tank, 2 healers, hunter. They prevent stuff from getting up the ramp.. and lock down legios.
3 groups, dragon tanks. Tank, healer, druid, hunter. They pull dragons to the tanks. Each group tanks 4.
One group enterance side/razor side.
One group middle/razor.
One group vael/razor.
1 group of 3 priests. They Mind Control Mages and use the mages to kill the legios being tanked by the first groups.
2 Groups of Dps who go around killing excess mages / uncontrolled legois / protect healers who pulled aggro.

Done properly everything is under control, and no one dies.

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ex-sheepy

To each his own. I've never had a problem with using AotC, as the arcane explosions from the mages don't seem to daze you. Avoid getting too close to spawn points in the corners, and you should never get hit. Plus, even if you do get hit you can always scattershot the dragons.

 

Louie

The AEs do daze you. I never use Cheetah for that exact reason.

 

Starks

Ah, I see. I had always done it without AotC for fear of getting hit, but either way if you use the ramps to kite them you can do it with nothing more than AB boots with a run speed enchant.

 

◊ Shalas

AB boots and run speed enchant don't stack.

 

Grayson Carlyle

If you can get Ragnaros to 30% before sons, killing all the orcs is easy. If you can kill him before sons, you'll be doing a lot of standing around doing not much at all with a lot of dead orcs.

 

Umph

All you guys saying you shouldn't use AotC need to learn to watch where you're going, see what's in your path, and move accordingly. All it takes is a little awareness of your surroundings to not get dazed.

 

Elendril

i AOTC kite after a volley all the time and almost never die. our DPS focuses on killing mages for this very reason.

 

• squiffy

Hakkar buff from a heart hand in makes the kite particularly easy as well.

 

Coag

What would you be wearing the first time you pull it off other than Blues/MC Purples?

 

◊ chalon

What he means is before the times of ZG, AQ20, and improved UBRS/Strath/Scholo drops which made it easier to be better geared up at that point in progression. Also remember that the time between Rag down and BWL opening was a little over 2 months give or take.

 

Mist

The only time you should wipe on razorgore is if your controller accidentally disables his pet bar in nurfed. :p

 

Incoherence

We had one of those wipes right after 1.10 hit (and broke pet bars for several of the popular bar mods)... one of the hunters controlling didn't realize his pet bar was broken, and couldn't figure out which button corresponded to which ability.

Just as a reference point, we've been using the "kill everything that's not a dragon" strat from the beginning, and I think there was a period where we were killing Razorgore but couldn't reliably get Ragnaros down before second sons. No, I'm not kidding.

 

CrazyGamer

Our strategy is to have hunters kite dragons and warriors kite legionaires while DPS keep mages dead.
Kiting frequently fails because it doesn't have to be flawless. When kiting fails, or after 2-3 minutes if it does not, the controller (tank with run speed enchant) steals aggro on all mobs with AoE-spam from Razorgore. He keeps this up while kiting and destroying eggs. When Razor is down to ~10% health, he releases and has solid aggro on every mob in the room (AKA healing on him is somewhat safe as long as you spread the aggro) and can kite them while another takes control and finishes off the eggs. This strat works excellent and is very repeatable as it allows for a huge margin of error.

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