Looking at this thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...hreadID=518526

And specifically the post about nefarian's loot table.

Item Slot 1:
Common 20% each
-Pure elementium band
-Therazines
-Neltharions tear
-Boots
Rare 10% each
-Staff of shadow flame
-Asscandy

Item Slot 2:
Common 20% each
-Ring of Reck
-Prestors talisman
-Cloak of broodlord
-Mindflayer Hat
Rare 10% each
-Crul axe
-Lok'amir


This does seem to indicate that, for example, you can't get 2 items from group 2 on the same kill (ie ring of reck and the prestors). I always assumed all nonset items A-L were assigned probabilites, random rolled, and awared to slot 1 and 2, and if 2 matched 1, 2 was rerolled. Then any combination of 2 items would be theoratically possible.

It certainly seems odd how this model was used for nonset items, but not for set items. (A comparable model for set items would be putting chests 1-4 in item slot 1, and chests 5-8 in item slot 2, which would make duplicates impossible. Obviously this is not the case.). It also seems odd how duplication was acceptable for the set pieces but not the itemset.

I did some poking through other guilds nef kills, and I never saw any contradictions to the above (ie a kill with multiple item slot 2 items).


Ragnaros seems even odder; every time I have seen eye/BRE/Spinal drop it has been a 5th epic instead of occupying one of the standard 4 slots.


Does anybody else have any other evidence or information about these "item slot" groupings? Chromaggus I assume would have something similar to nefarian as he drops 4 epics. The bosses that drop 3 epics (2 set + 1 nonset) seem pretty simple (roll twice for set, the roll the nonset table).

I wouldn't be suprised if it works this way for some bosses (or maybe all?). AM has gotten 2x triad (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=52788) from the bug family before. I suppose the same item could be in both loot groups -- the common table and kri's table, not certain.

Oy, I suppose I wasn't clear; this is what I was referring to here:

http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewt...hp?id=6527&p=2 (post 43)

Must just be something to do with the way they implement forced, fixed numbers of boss drops. Way back when, every item a mob could drop has its own, independent chance of dropping (this is, for example, how random white crap drops off of low-level things). I believe I read that this is how MC drops worked initially, but I wasn't in a raiding guild early enough to know. Eventually, they changed it to, "exactly 2 epics off of this boss," so this was probably the easiest way to do it. I bet you could perform the same analysis on Lucifron, if you wanted to.

For forced set drops, they just didn't bother. Slot A and Slot B are both equal to (12.5% for each class).

For ouro, it seems that not only is item slot 2 being ignored, item slot 1 is for some reason cut in half. These bosses typically have 12 nonset items, so even if 2 is nonexistent, 1 should have 6 items instead of 3.

I guess the most obvious example of these "item slot" groupings is the Twin Emps, where they grouping is actually apparent and obvious (set 1 is on Veklor, and 2 on Veknilash).

I wonder if you can infer anything by checking the order of the items in the loot window.

Both our 2 Eye of Sulphuras and 2 Spinal Reapers were dropped in addition to the normal 4 loots off Ragnaros, so I guess this makes sense.

So, a 10% chance per kill on the Staff of Shadowflame? Seem's rarer than that to me from what I've seen, but the principle seems right.

Probably, yeah, if items are done in 2 seperate sets like this, they're probably displayed 1 set after the other.

Yes, both Garr and Magmadar have dropped complete non set loot for us - as has Lucifron, Gehennas and the rest of them at various times.

This has never happened in BWL though, apart from on the accursed Drakes, which suggests the loot tables there are more more fixed in terms of what you get and don't get.

I was under the impression the Drakes always dropped two set items. This does not bode well, considering our history of Bloodfang drops.

Nope, checking our DKp records, we've had raids where we didn't get a single tier 2 glove off all 3 drakes.

http://www.bloodstorm.be/dkp2/viewraid.php?s=&r=102

Were our Ebonroc & Flamegor kills, and neither dropped any set gloves. Firemaw the previous night hadn't dropped any either.

The Triumvirate doesn't seem to follow this rule; we've had two Triad Girdles drop from Vem at the same time. But I suppose that encounter is rather odd to begin with.