Combat Sword vs. Combat Daggers - Page 2

Kalman · 05/26/06, 12:33 PM

Well, if 8/8 is adding 15 DPS, then no, BOTSF/NS shoulders/NS gloves (all of which are, in and of themselves, upgrades over the equiv. BF piece) doesn't seem to make up the differential.

Fellwraith · 05/26/06, 12:47 PM

One other thing that the sheet doesn't necessarily take into account is that a combat sword build will have greater survivability in melee combat. Most combat dagger builds I've seen do not take improved parry or lightning reflexes (favoring imp gouge and +hit instead).

A full 9% damage elimination (5 points parry, 3 points lightning reflexes, +1 parry for Maladath) can be extremely useful when dealing with aoe cleaves or mobs that randomly switch targets. A sword rogue with evasion up and BWL gear can hit close to 100% melee damage elimination (between parry and dodge) for 15 seconds. When things break down or someone screws up, sometimes it's nice to know that you can tank Vael for the last 2-3%.

probiscus · 05/26/06, 12:47 PM

Well, going from 8/8 BF and replacing:
BF shoulders -> Mantle of Wicked Revenge (not hard to get)
BF belt -> muggers (not hard to get)
BF gloves -> ACLG

Results in a 14 DPS increase for the plug gear I was playing with. So, the 2nd set retains the 3pc BF bonus, but loses the 8pc.

NOTE: I'm too lazy to update my working version of my spreadsheet, I'm working off: rc6
NOTE2: Just confirmed, my first scenario has both the 3 and 8 pc bonuses checked, while the 2nd (replacement gear) has only the 3pc BF bonus checked. It appears the spreadsheet is calculating the 8pc BF bonus at approximately 8+ DPS.

Gear // chants // poisons:
Blessed Qiraji Pugio // Crusader // None
Blessed Qiraji Pugio // Agility (+15 Agility) // None
Striker's Mark
Bloodfang Hood // None
Prestor's Talisman of Connivery
Bloodfang Spaulders // Zandalar Signet of Might
Bloodfang Chestpiece // Greater Stats (+4 All Stats)
Bloodfang Belt
Bloodfang Pants // None
Bloodfang Boots // Greater Agility (+7 Agility)
Bloodfang Bracers // Superior Stamina (+9 Stamina)
Bloodfang Gloves // Superior Agility (+15 Agility)
Cape of the Black Baron // Lesser Agility (+3 Agility)
Master Dragonslayer's Ring
Quick Strike Ring
Hand of Justice
Blackhand's Breadth

Kalman · 05/26/06, 1:02 PM

Personally, as combat swords I wouldn't give up Imp Gouge either. Extra second and a half is so, so nice. Daggers do lose out on ~3% mitigation over my build, though.

Also, Prob, make sure you're checking/unchecking the BF 8 piece bonus as appropriate - I don't think the spreadsheet detects set bonuses.