Sword specialization for rogues and their enchants

Sindrom · 05/27/06, 12:43 AM

Quick question about rogue ehchants and poisons on swords. Does the extra swing proc anything for a rogue besides just the regular hit?

Itchyfingers · 05/27/06, 7:05 AM

Crusader main hand? I was under the impression that Lifesteal was far better for swords. Not to mention the fact that it procs more and so would proc sword spec more.

Zid · 05/27/06, 9:25 AM

You make it sound like you think a lifesteal proc could produce a swordspec proc... it can't.

Itchyfingers · 05/27/06, 9:40 AM

Ah, ok. I heard someone say it used to, but they didnt know if it still could. I thought Demi9OD implied that it could, since he said anything that can proc on regular swing can proc sword spec.

I did see some math on it somewhere, and as far as I can remember it said one of the best combos was LS/15 agi, or 2x agi. The agi enchant would scale better with gear of course. But it made crusader look like it was better left to the warriors.

Kalman · 05/27/06, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Itchyfingers

I thought Demi9OD implied that it could, since he said anything that can proc on regular swing can proc sword spec.

Originally Posted by Demi9OD

Anything that can proc on a regular swing can proc on a sword spec swing.

Reading comprehension prevents incorrect impressions.

I did see some math on it somewhere, and as far as I can remember it said one of the best combos was LS/15 agi, or 2x agi. The agi enchant would scale better with gear of course. But it made crusader look like it was better left to the warriors.

LS heals for more than Crus, and in some situations does more damage. In some situations, Crusader MH does more damage. In some (rare) situations, 15 Agi MH does more damage. No one enchant is better in all circumstances.

Sindrom · 05/28/06, 8:27 AM

thanks guys for the help. Ive enchanted MH with lifestealing and so far im liking the results a lot better than when i had crusader on. The main things ive noticed is that lifestealing will proc on my first swing and then another few times in a battle, crusader i was lucky to get once a battle.

EJforumsaccount · 05/28/06, 9:36 AM

Kalman; could you possibly list the general types of situations that each would be useful in? I've just recently switched from 15 agi to Crusader on Vis'kag and it has been fairly nice. Not a huge difference, though.

Emila · 05/28/06, 2:19 PM

The closer that armour of the target is to 100% mitigation the better that LS becomes.

Kalman · 05/28/06, 3:53 PM

LS improves with:

Increasing target armor mitigation.
Increasing shadow damage buffs (CoS and Shadowweaving, also Imp SB)
Shadow vulnerability.

LS fails with:

Shadow/magic immune/reflective targets (I have a screenshot of my combat log somewhere which is something like:

[Anubisath Guardian] Reflects Lifesteal
[You] Lifesteal [You] -30
[You] Lifesteal [You] +30

Crusader improves with:
+crit and +hit gear, lightly armored targets.

Crusader fails on:
Heavily armored targets, undergeared players.

Agi improves with:
+crit, +hit, and +AP gear, lightly armored targets

Agi fails on:
Heavily armored targets, undergeared players.

Remember that the differences between these enchants tend to be on the order of 2-3 sustained DPS max; none of them are going to be showstoppers one way or the other. OTOH, going from NS belt to BF belt is also only 2-3 sustained DPS, so, hey, why not?

EJforumsaccount · 05/28/06, 11:19 PM

Ok. Thank you, Kalman. :laugh: