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Old 06/06/06, 7:27 PM   #51
Steelfleece
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I dislike active trinkets. Relying on FD to swap them out during a fight all the time is clunky. I'll be happy when I can get Slayer's Crest, however.

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Old 06/06/06, 7:49 PM   #52
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Sorry Steel, didn't mean to downplay the Drake Fang for Hunters. It is a great trinket, I'm wearing one myself, I was merely stating since the OP was a rogue and was wondering if hunters should get it over him or not, that personally I think a rogue could probably use it better than a hunter with a Royal Seal + Blackhands combo.

I wouldn't take it over rogues/warriors if it first dropped, I'm curious to hear if you would?


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Old 06/06/06, 7:54 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by Nilos
I wouldn't take it over rogues/warriors if it first dropped, I'm curious to hear if you would?
people keep saying this, and still haven't addressed the issue i raised earlier re: fury warrior DPS being capped by aggro rather than gear. does giving a DFT to a fury warrior legitimately provide the same or better benefit to progression as giving it to a hunter would? it might be 'better' for fury warriors, but given that they brick wall on aggro, isn't it better off going to a hunter?

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Old 06/06/06, 8:12 PM   #54
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I've never felt that an extremely marginal difference in effectiveness from one class to another was enough to justify one class giving it up for another.

For example, Circle of Applied Force and Quick Strike Ring both have Strength on them, a useless stat for hunters, yet are both great hunter rings. Should they really go to rogues and warriors before hunters all the time? I don't think so.

I feel that's about the same difference in effectiveness of use for DFT.

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Old 06/06/06, 8:23 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by Nilos
I wouldn't take it over rogues/warriors if it first dropped, I'm curious to hear if you would?
I feel that I can compete in "damage-dealt-on-average" with any rogue or warrior, I don't think their 1%hit is any more valuable than my 1%hit. Yes, I'd take it. (Don't have it, guild rules prevent me from getting it. I'm just a grunt)

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Old 06/06/06, 9:57 PM   #56
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Originally Posted by Elendril
Originally Posted by Nilos
I wouldn't take it over rogues/warriors if it first dropped, I'm curious to hear if you would?
people keep saying this, and still haven't addressed the issue i raised earlier re: fury warrior DPS being capped by aggro rather than gear. does giving a DFT to a fury warrior legitimately provide the same or better benefit to progression as giving it to a hunter would? it might be 'better' for fury warriors, but given that they brick wall on aggro, isn't it better off going to a hunter?
It's not entirly a brick wall. For fury warriors without windfury, aggro is often only a major problem if they use heroic strike, which has a terrible damage/threat ratio. If they aren't using HS or cleave and still have aggro issues, then C'Thun is about the only fight where gear upgrade will help, but most of them aren't at that point.

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Old 06/06/06, 10:25 PM   #57
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Originally Posted by Steelfleece
I dislike active trinkets. Relying on FD to swap them out during a fight all the time is clunky. I'll be happy when I can get Slayer's Crest, however.
Agreeing with this.

I'm only really intrigued by the Badge of the Swarmguard for very specific fights (C'thun, Ouro, Rag, MAYBE Firemaw, etc.)

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Old 06/06/06, 10:32 PM   #58
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Originally Posted by Steelfleece
I don't really believe all the BS about one class getting more use out of these type of items than another.
Okay we'll just give future DFTs to Shamans

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Old 06/07/06, 2:32 AM   #59
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I really want a DFT so I could stop using this 3% to hit scope and get some +7 Damage going.

But other than that, it really isn't on my need to get soon list.

Also, I'm using Silithid Claw + Pugio for extra hit :)

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Old 06/07/06, 2:45 AM   #60
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Originally Posted by Lord BEEF
Originally Posted by Steelfleece
I don't really believe all the BS about one class getting more use out of these type of items than another.
Okay we'll just give future DFTs to Shamans
Spec Stormstrike shamans with DFT and DEoI hell yeah.

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Old 06/07/06, 2:54 AM   #61
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Originally Posted by Randuin
I really want a DFT so I could stop using this 3% to hit scope and get some +7 Damage going.

But other than that, it really isn't on my need to get soon list.

Also, I'm using Silithid Claw + Pugio for extra hit :)
See, rogues/warriors? It could be worse.

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Old 06/07/06, 3:11 AM   #62
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Originally Posted by Steelfleece
Originally Posted by Randuin
I really want a DFT so I could stop using this 3% to hit scope and get some +7 Damage going.

But other than that, it really isn't on my need to get soon list.

Also, I'm using Silithid Claw + Pugio for extra hit :)
See, rogues/warriors? It could be worse.
we get a lot of armaments okay :(

But seriously, the pugio is bad ass.

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Old 06/07/06, 4:24 AM   #63
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Originally Posted by sheepy
barrage + ranged weapons specialization is far more damage than LR could ever provide
What the hell is LR?

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Old 06/07/06, 4:27 AM   #64
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Originally Posted by newladin
Originally Posted by sheepy
barrage + ranged weapons specialization is far more damage than LR could ever provide
What the hell is LR?
Lightning Reflexes, the 26-30pt talent in the survival tree that gives 3/6/9/12/15% more agility.

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Old 06/07/06, 4:28 AM   #65
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Edit: God dammit I reloaded right before I typed up this post and I was still beaten

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Old 06/07/06, 9:47 AM   #66
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I'm just wondering come the expansion will survival have some sort of 41 point talent to make it better than marksman, and what it'll take to make it better :/

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Old 06/07/06, 9:49 AM   #67
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Originally Posted by Randuin
I'm just wondering come the expansion will survival have some sort of 41 point talent to make it better than marksman, and what it'll take to make it better :/
I'm wondering if there will be a 41 talent that will beat a 31 Mark, 30 Survival build...

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Old 06/07/06, 2:39 PM   #68
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I'm wondering if 30+ Beast Mastery will ever be good in raids.

Haha, wait, no I'm not. I know it won't.

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Old 06/07/06, 2:50 PM   #69
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Originally Posted by Branar
I'm wondering if 30+ Beast Mastery will ever be good in raids.

Haha, wait, no I'm not. I know it won't.
If you could allocate item points to pet improvement and there were full suits of such that you could wear, such as the beastmastery gloves in the Hunter Tier .5 set that gives you 2% pet crit, there's no reason it couldn't be. A pet is essentially a naked rogue with only sinister strike and sprint, and a white weapon.

If hunters could wear things that improved the pet, the talents in the beast mastery tree actually scale the pet very nicely. The problem is the pets themselves don't scale, so your power is fixed at 60.

One possible vision of a beast mastery specced hunter would be the actual hunter wearing mostly int and +pet gear and auto-shotting for some added dps while keeping his pet healed and cured of stuff via mend pet, while the pet does the lions share of the damage. He'd be mostly responsible for himself due to a hunters ability to cure all 4 afflictions on his pet, and depending on how well the pet scaled he might do decent damage.

Of course none of that stuff exists so beast mastery is good for leveling but a total joke at 60 once you're past greens.

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Old 06/07/06, 2:54 PM   #70
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Originally Posted by Lord BEEF
Originally Posted by Steelfleece
I don't really believe all the BS about one class getting more use out of these type of items than another.
Okay we'll just give future DFTs to Shamans
Given how hard +hit is to get for Shamans I'm sure that any enhancement shamans would be happy to take it off your hands!

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Old 06/07/06, 5:14 PM   #71
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Originally Posted by Branar
I'm wondering if 30+ Beast Mastery will ever be good in raids.

Haha, wait, no I'm not. I know it won't.
Even if your pet scaled w/ gear... it would still be close to useless on several encounters due to the AE.... they need to just make pets like totems in Pve, so they can't be targetted by AE.

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Old 06/09/06, 11:23 AM   #72
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With the new trinekts coming out (Slayer's Crest+Ouro trinket) along with Earthstrike and Devilsaur(any other good activated trinkets?)... how often would u be able to keep 1 up during a fight... and is it worth it over using a passive trinket if u swap trinkets in every FD?

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Old 06/09/06, 11:24 AM   #73
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I was under the assumption that Jom Gabbar was a melee trinket? (Based on whataboutpp description that is)

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Old 06/09/06, 11:30 AM   #74
Kinv
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Originally Posted by Randuin
I was under the assumption that Jom Gabbar was a melee trinket? (Based on whataboutpp description that is)
Hopefully not.... melee alrdy have the Haste trinket that only works for them...

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