meh. we have a feral druid with a DFT with rogues/warriors who still want it. it's only a drama explosion if you let it be.

survival is not the optimal raiding build for a hunter.

I don't really believe all the BS about one class getting more use out of these type of items than another. Hunters make excellent use of Attack Power, Hit, Crit, and Agility, and any item with large amounts of these should go to hunters just as often as they go to rogues or warriors. The testing that hunter DPS is less affected by weapon white damage and much more reliant on speed+ranged attack power is just more reason that hunters should take every AP upgrade they can get their hands on(barring melee weapons where the white damage goes to waste).

sure. given that your post is in a thread re: dft, hunters, and +hit, it seemed like you were suggesting that since hunters can get surefooted, they should, and thus DFT isn't as important. perhaps i was reading more into your statement than was intended. yes, if you're putting 30 in survival, you should certainly get surefooted, because it can optimize your gear and let you use more agi items rather than +hit gear.

barrage + ranged weapons specialization is far more damage than LR could ever provide

As much as you 1% more hit = 1% more damage

A 15% increase in your main stat?

1 agility gives 2 ranged attack power, and every 53 gives 1 to crit. So the more agility you get, the more damage you do. Of course, this talent only shines with full epic gear so before that TSA is a stronger choice.

Trueshot Aura is not the thing to compare with LR.

Basically, what sheepy said:

Those skills plus Improved Aspect of the Hawk and Trueshot Aura beat out Surefooted+Killer Instinct+LR. Survival builds will have more AP and Crit%, but Marskmanship will do more damage.

Interesting. I'll keep that in mind thanks.

It's a fairly common drop, I'd be surprised if there was a lot of drama about it. A couple people already touched on it, but the impact on your dps would depend on how much your damage scales with +hit relative to other alternatives. The ap benefits are static, but the +hit benefit will scale.

While the damage mitigation from a tranq'd mob really shouldn't be discounted, I have no idea how you'd model that. Other hunters would take the shot within 2-3 seconds if you missed. A tank can easily die in that time if the damage spikes, but the tank can also compensate with shield block or other abilities. I have yet to be in an encounter where the frenzies happen faster than 3-4 hunters can rotate their shots as long as they pay attention and communicate (but I also have not fought huhu yet).


DFT vs comparable Melee alternatives:

Counterattack lodestone (1% parry, 22 attack power)
- Gain 34 attack power (6-7dps)
- +2% to hit (will vary based on current +hit gear, probably at least 4 dps for a base 200dps white dmg dual-wield spec - most melee will already have over 5% +hit so they will only benefit on their white damage)

Rogue DM trinket (2% to hit, 10 FR)
- Gain 56 attack power (10ish dps),
- +1% dodge (0.7% melee damage mitigation assuming 30% armor)
- lose 10 FR

I won't compare it to HOJ because most people would equip both DFT and HOJ. Blackhand's and the Vigilance charm really aren't comparable to DFT.


DFT vs Ranged Alternatives:

Hunter DM trinket (48 RAP, 10 FR)
- gain 8 AP
- +2% hit (not sure of the dps impact on hunter special attacks, otherwise it should be comparable to the melee increase for autoshots)
- +1% dodge (0.6%ish melee damage mitigation assuming 40% armor)


It probably isn't that big a deal either way, all 3 classes benefit and it is a fairly common drop. The theorycraft variance is pretty small relative to people's real dps output. It does seem to be a little bit better for melee, but not worth someone getting their undies in a bunch over.

Just like to add my 2cents to this topic as well.

Like Elendril I passed the first 5 DFT's for us to rogues/warriors personally before I took one myself(I got the 6th one)

For hunters from the DM trinket strictly speaking it's a 2 hit 8 ap upgrade but never missing on 63's anymore is what the overall goal is. If you see my profile, I have to spec 2/31/18 and pick up surefooted because guild doesn't do MC anymore and I never got my DS pants to finish the set heh, so I have to get 9% hit and I have 6% from gear.

Compared to rogues/warriors though, warriors need the same amount of hit 2hand as a hunter and if they are dw fury then like rogues they have a 24% miss rate cause of this? And I asked our rogues and they said white damage with a combat build is a majority of their damage, so reducing miss would help a lot more, least I think so. The DM trinket for rogues is 2% hit, so in terms of straight upgrade not that someone would wear it would be 56 ap, which is a bunch for a rogue being limited to 1 agi = 1 str = 1 ap.

If you really have issues over who's getting it, let DKP handle it. But speaking from a personal standpoint, wouldn't take a pretty good upgrade over rogues when they have to get a lot more hit (granted they also get talents/gear better for +hit) You can as a hunter make up for the DFT by wearing different pieces of gear to max hit anyway. But you're gonna have to talk to your hunters about it, and see if they understand.