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Old 06/07/06, 12:50 PM   #16
Anias
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Originally Posted by Kurisu
I find it somewhat ironic that you call NR gear damage avoidance when your doing exactly the same with all these summon item/trinkets >_>
I think you've missed the point.

All resists in wow use the terrible "Random and assign damage" method. You are not guaranteed a total damage reduction on any hit due to resistances, although over time your resistances will tend towards whatever your percentage resist rate is. This is an avoidance mechanic, similiar to parry, with all the joys that implies. The alternative to avoidance is actual mitigation. Armor vs physical damage is an example of mitigation. Resists do not behave in the same way as armor, although perhaps they should. The barov peasent caller is not intended to soak bolts. We assume the rogues get hit with bolts. Over time they'd take slightly more damage, but the missing 20 NR isn't going to greatly change any single bolt event. The healers deal with it. The caller is intended to eat a wyvern sting, and thus remove the damage from cleansing. Cleansing sub 30 can line up unfortunately (due to lag among other things) and is reactionary. Peasants being fed to the sleep can't really mess up in an unfortunate way, and is a proactive means of preventing 3 sleeps, which in practice provides a noticeable damage boost.

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Old 06/07/06, 1:27 PM   #17
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As said earlier if you time the wyvren correctly you can get the 2nd wyvren sting at 10% or so, in which case your casters/hunters can finish Huhu off. We don't cleanse wyvren the entire fight (aside from the OT on the way to 30%) and definately not sub 30%, not sure why you would with the risk of the 3k + a volley without healers being able to catch it.

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Old 06/07/06, 2:00 PM   #18
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Those pets and shit actually absorb Poison Bolts?

We had hunters send in their pets, I combat logged the attempt, and I didn't see one pet ever get hit by a Poison Bolt. They were absorbing Wyvern Stings and Noxious Poisons, but the 2.5k poison bolts never touched them. I figured it would be the same with pets like the Barov Peasant Caller and the dog whistle from DM.

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Old 06/07/06, 2:02 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by Hamoshin
Those pets and shit actually absorb Poison Bolts?

We had hunters send in their pets, I combat logged the attempt, and I didn't see one pet ever get hit by a Poison Bolt. They were absorbing Wyvern Stings and Noxious Poisons, but the 2.5k poison bolts never touched them. I figured it would be the same with pets like the Barov Peasant Caller and the dog whistle from DM.
No, they dont eat the bolts, but they do eat a Wyv Sting (Which rapes sub 30%)

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Old 06/07/06, 2:17 PM   #20
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Edit* Brilliance beat me to it!

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Old 06/08/06, 3:22 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by Elendril
release the hounds!

one of the ner'zhul horde guilds gets endless flak because it's rumored (and they don't deny it) that their huhuran strategy involves farming dog whistles from SM :-P

but yeah, it seems excessive to me. isn't just resisting stuff easier? :)
That was my guild, and yes we tried using them. We don't use them anymore, and we haven't used them for a while. I personally never saw us use them (I joined the guild shortly before we killed her) but from what I heard it's just not worth it, and is actually easier without using them. We just time it now, and can get her down.

And we DO get alot of flak from it, but we just ignore it.

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Old 06/08/06, 3:35 AM   #22
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How do you get raped by wyvern sting? Hold her at 31%~ right before she goes insane untill she uses wyvernsting. Then when it wears off take her down and own her. We've yet to have people be slept post 30%.

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Old 06/08/06, 7:16 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by Fira
How do you get raped by wyvern sting? Hold her at 31%~ right before she goes insane untill she uses wyvernsting. Then when it wears off take her down and own her. We've yet to have people be slept post 30%.
Her Wyvern Sting is definitely on some sort of cooldown, but it doesn't occur at fixed time intervals (ie there's a random factor involved)

We usually bring her below 30% within a couple of seconds from Wyvern Sting wearing off, and almost always get a second sting at anything from 10 to 15%.

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Old 06/09/06, 3:14 AM   #24
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weird, I don't think I've ever seen it post 30%

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Old 06/09/06, 5:26 AM   #25
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Maybe it's the Skywall-Bonechewer-Firetree-Eldre'Thelas-PTR cluster HuHu that likes to give the second wyvern sting (and the occasional 15+second pause) sub 30. I don't know, I've just gotten used to playing on garbage hardware.

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