This has been a hot topic recently. The first armaments dropped for us and we awarded it to a fury warrior who has higher dkp than the highest rogue.

The rogue argues that the pugio is wasted on a fury warrior, and makes it seem as though we value "dagger warriors" over "dagger rogues" while others argue that since it is definitely a top 3 offhand for a fury warrior, they deserve same priority of it as rogues.

Similarly, we have restricted AQR to rogues although we are looking at making AQR equal priority to rogues and fury warriors.

Any thoughts on this?

Unless the rogue was going to mainhand it, I'd say equal priorities. The only other weapons that compete with pugio for offhand are EoC and Maladath.

You can't really resrict armaments. What if the warrior wanted the shield? DKP is there for a reason. They will keep dropping over and over again. Honestly by the time you drop the Emps this will be a non issue and you'll have plenty of ppl with armaments/regalia.

Copriority on Armaments in my opinion. In our system, a warrior making a shield, a warrior using a Pugio, and a rogue using a Pugio all have copriority. The only second-tier use is a shaman or some other class who wants the War Axe.

As for AQR, it should go, in my opinion, first to sword rogues who are going to mainhand it, and then copriority among rogues/warriors after that.

A Pugio is very much not wasted on a Fury warrior, though. It's only a slightly, slightly marginally better mainhand than a Perdition's, and a Fury warrior gets roughly as much out of it.

One of our Fury warriors wants a Death's Sting, but that isn't happening any time soon. :P

He needs to join DnT, clearly, 50% drop rate on the sting so far.

But seriously, especially as horde, aren't your fury warriors running into aggro issues that rogues don't have, and wouldn't that be an incentive to prioritize rogues?

Why must you mock my pain?

Ugh. Six C'Thun kills, one Sting, no other weapons.

And the fights that I've seen, both in existing content and in Naxx, where DPS matters most, also tend to be fights where aggro isn't a concern. Yes, our AQ-geared fury warriors are aggro magnets on MC trash and such, for sure, but elsewhere they still have room to do more DPS.

Not every encounter has aggro issues, and it's not as though Tank aggro is forever fixed.

Skeram -> Nonissue due to mechanics
Bug Family -> Could be an issue, but generally not.
Sartura -> Nonissue due to mechanics
Fankriss - > Here the warrior probably has to lay off, but can still be good by unloading his rage bar on snakes.
Viscidus - > Shouldn't even be meleeing Viscidus much, so nonissue.
Huhuran - > Probably in NR gear, no issue.
Twin Emperors - > Could possibly be an issue, but it's somewhat hard to out aggro good tanks in the short time you have.
Ouro - > Definitely a problem, but this is a dumb fight for anybody who has to melee.
C'thun - > No issue.

I can't say anything regarding Naxx encounters, but again, some will be issues, some will not be, that doesn't justify banning fury warrior upgrades (this coming from a rogue). Of course I'd still be mad if a fury warrior bought a Death's Sting over me.

Yeah Deaths sting NOT going to a rogue is a crime.

You can't really resrict armaments. What if the warrior wanted the shield? DKP is there for a reason. They will keep dropping over and over again. Honestly by the time you drop the Emps this will be a non issue and you'll have plenty of ppl with armaments/regalia.

In that case you'll have to recruit another hunter.

why the hell does he want that, bliz hates us in aq!

/gkick?

It was something about:
"My 1h sucks and ze war axe is better zen my current 1h for pve and itz good for grinding and no 2h izn't better with zis zpec and I don't want to zpec back and forz every day"
So after half an hour of arguing and laughing and trying to talk to ppl above him in dkp to bid on it we made him back away "peacfully" from that bid in favor to a rogue.

So you're post Twin-Emps and the poor fucker doesn't even have an Aurastone Hammer? Jesus.

Our priority list actually says:

"Regalia: non-paladin caster
Armaments: non-paladin physical"

Poor Paladins. I'm still trying to decide if I am secure enough in my masculinity to use a 1H Mace with +Attack Power in forms while I wait for a Regalia drop that isn't instantly snatched up by casters. ;)

I don't think it's occurred to any of our warriors that they might want it as a tanking weapon. We have good luck on them (see: our 3rd TF being forged this week soon's we get around to killing Thunderaan) so it might just not be an issue.

Oh but we would...

Why wouldn't you give priority to the second best tanking weapon to a warrior (barring thunderfury), instead of a feral druid? In terms of raid viability, isn't it best used in the hands of a tank than a healer (however hybrid he likes to be)? We have a priority set for warriors on the mace, though we don't have any warriors after it. What I'm curious about is if Blizzard intended for a tank to be able to get both the shield and the mace by putting them in separate quests. The armaments are all 1H items, the regalia is 2 2Hs and a mace. Why not give a 2H feral mace for the regalia and pump up the stats a bit. It's not like there is a decent epic feral offhand in the game

We got our first Regalia off of our first Emps kill (and still no armaments).

</complaining about probability>

With defense becoming easier and easier to stack, I think its more important for "tanking" weapons to be stacking damage attributes (atkpower, crit, and hit especially) and boosting tank threat. Speed of course is important as well.

I wonder how tanking with the pugio would work...and you could switch it to the offhand to dps as well. We have to replace these damn quels sometime.