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Old 06/10/06, 8:04 AM   #1
holys
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I have been watching and playing around with http://www.hfhclan.com/WoW/WarriorDPS.xls with different DW combo's.

Reading the topics about glancing hits and so on i tested out different weapons with 311 skill (Maladath +4/Edgemaster's Handguards +7) on swords and compared to other weapons..

Anyway, there is none or atleast i can't find any, topics/discussions about dw-fury warriors and weapon choices and I was hoping for some links or more discussion about it here :D

This is what i came up with, 1k AP, 25% Crit, 10% hit as base values and then I counted in the bonuses from weapons.

DPS MH/OH
355 Blessed Qiraji War Hammer/Anusibath Warhammer (300)
358 CTS/Maladath (300)
360 Ripper/Maladath (300)
364 Claw of the Black Drake/Maladath
367 Claw of the BLack Drake/CTS
367 Iblis/Maladath (300)
375 Blessed Qiraji War Hammer/Anusibath Warhammer (304)
375 Crul'Shorukh/Pugio
375 Qiraji Ripper/Pugio
377 CTS/Maladath (304)
379 Ripper/Maladath (304)
379 Hungering Cold/Maladath (300)
388 Iblis/Maladath (304)
389 One hand mace/one hand axe
392 CTS/Maladath (311)
394 Ripper/Maladath (311)
397 Kingsfall/Frostwyrm OH
398 Hungering Cold/Iblis
400 Hungering Cold/Maladath (304)
403 Iblis/Maladath (311)
404 Hungering Cold/Frostwyrm OH
415 Hungering Cold/Maladath (311)

Do you think this is accurate? Do you have other weapon combos to suggest?

CTS/Maladath came up as a rather deadly combo for being weapons from BWL, even ripper didn't seem to be a big upgrade from CTS which suprised me and im wondering if this really is as accurate as I wish it to be.

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Old 06/10/06, 8:06 AM   #2
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Ofc, i forgot to count in the loss of AP/Crit/Hit when using edgemasters for weaponskill on the 304/311 ones instead of GoA :\

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Old 06/10/06, 8:43 AM   #3
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I find it almost sad that with all the badassery of offhands from Naxx and AQ, the ultimate OH is the sword from Broodlord, 2 full instances ago :(.

Same deal with Rogues, and ACLG's/Mugger's Belt I guess :/ seems retarded to me.

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Old 06/10/06, 8:57 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Deris
I find it almost sad that with all the badassery of offhands from Naxx and AQ, the ultimate OH is the sword from Broodlord, 2 full instances ago :(.

Same deal with Rogues, and ACLG's/Mugger's Belt I guess :/ seems retarded to me.
That is on fights we're you get glancing blows ofc, don't forget that you fight alot towards non 61+ mobs aswell :)

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Old 06/10/06, 8:58 AM   #5
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whats your race?

erm after rereading i figured your not human/orc


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Old 06/10/06, 10:25 AM   #6
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Can you please add in
Blessed Qiraji War Hammer + Anubisath Warhammer

http://www.afterlifeguild.org

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Old 06/10/06, 10:59 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Chaotik
Can you please add in
Blessed Qiraji War Hammer + Anubisath Warhammer
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Old 06/10/06, 11:32 AM   #8
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How about being orc or human with +5 axe/sword/mace skill ? and using edgemasters on that
like Crul'Shorukh/Pugio with 312MH weaponskill and 307 OH weaponskill?


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Old 06/10/06, 1:17 PM   #9
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Unless I read it wrong, that spreadsheet doesn't take into account other gear nor flurry chance from instants. And that's the first mistakes I could find i the first minute of glancing over it. Who did this spreadsheet?

On the thread topic, yes, I find it depressing that glancing blows puts such a stranglehold on a few slots, not allowing you to upgrade them at all.

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Old 06/10/06, 1:37 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Deathwing
Unless I read it wrong, that spreadsheet doesn't take into account other gear nor flurry chance from instants. And that's the first mistakes I could find i the first minute of glancing over it. Who did this spreadsheet?

On the thread topic, yes, I find it depressing that glancing blows puts such a stranglehold on a few slots, not allowing you to upgrade them at all.
Found the spreadsheet in #eu-warrior channel on qnet.

I agree it's depressing pve-wise.

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Old 06/10/06, 2:01 PM   #11
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http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=1341886

That's a spreadsheet I put together. I'm not saying it's correct, but I think it does a better job than the one you linked because it incorporates more of the picture. In my spreadsheet, if the warrior is wielding Death's Sting/Pugio and Edgemaster's Gauntlets, and replaces the gloves with Gauntlets of Annihilation, he only loses 3 dps on level 63, while gaining ~150 hp.

I want this to be accurate, so definitely go over it and look for mistakes and let me know.

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Old 06/10/06, 2:02 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Deathwing
On the thread topic, yes, I find it depressing that glancing blows puts such a stranglehold on a few slots, not allowing you to upgrade them at all.
Looking at it differently, if you already have +weapon skill items, then you don't need to worry about upgrading, so that could be seen as a positive situation.

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Old 06/10/06, 2:23 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by frmorrison
Originally Posted by Deathwing
On the thread topic, yes, I find it depressing that glancing blows puts such a stranglehold on a few slots, not allowing you to upgrade them at all.
Looking at it differently, if you already have +weapon skill items, then you don't need to worry about upgrading, so that could be seen as a positive situation.
I guess...but getting new gear is half the point to raiding.

Looking at some of numbers. If warrior is DWing a AQR/Maladath with Edgemaster's, and goes to AQR/EOC and gauntlets of annihilation, he only looses 11 dps. The difference is even smaller on level 62 mobs. In that case, I think it's well worth the 280HP.

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Old 06/10/06, 3:40 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Deathwing
Looking at some of numbers. If warrior is DWing a AQR/Maladath with Edgemaster's, and goes to AQR/EOC and gauntlets of annihilation, he only looses 11 dps. The difference is even smaller on level 62 mobs. In that case, I think it's well worth the 280HP.
Hive Defilers Wristguards -> Bracelets of Wrath.

Gain 270HP, lose 20AP and 0.9% crit. I'm pretty confident that that's a smaller DPS loss, for equivalent Stamina Gain, than 11DPS.

Not to mention that with the Bracelets of Wrath, you don't need to pay for both tanking and DPS bracers.

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Old 06/10/06, 4:12 PM   #15
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I'd rather use Qiraji Execution Bracers than either of those.

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Old 06/10/06, 4:32 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Deathwing
I'd rather use Qiraji Execution Bracers than either of those.
Your guild doesn't give priority on leather armor to leather-wearing classes?

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Old 06/10/06, 4:54 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by Kytrarewn
Originally Posted by Deathwing
I'd rather use Qiraji Execution Bracers than either of those.
Your guild doesn't give priority on leather armor to leather-wearing classes?
Of course they do, I'm just saying I think the qiraji bracers are better than Hive Defiler.

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Old 06/10/06, 6:10 PM   #18
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Did you factor specs into this? It seems odd that maces would beat out swords or axes with their respective specs.

edit: I am an idiot and totally read it wrong. ignore this :x

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Old 06/10/06, 6:26 PM   #19
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Where would rank 14 1handers be on that list?

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Old 06/10/06, 9:08 PM   #20
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Question about the first calculator linked, what's the additional rage / sec, and why is it set to 1.66 by default?

EDIT : Also what is the AP equivalent of Crusader? I never quite figured out what percent of the time its active.

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Old 06/10/06, 9:13 PM   #21
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what about Hungering Cold/Kingsfall ?

http://ctprofiles.net/1923091

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Old 06/10/06, 10:05 PM   #22
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What's the point of including combos with Maladath and only 300 skill?

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Old 06/10/06, 10:24 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by Shavnir
Also what is the AP equivalent of Crusader? I never quite figured out what percent of the time its active.
It is between 25 to 28 strength.

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Old 06/11/06, 1:27 AM   #24
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Originally Posted by frmorrison
Originally Posted by Shavnir
Also what is the AP equivalent of Crusader? I never quite figured out what percent of the time its active.
It is between 25 to 28 strength.
Higher, really. Depends on attack pattern, but for rogues it's more in the 30-40 range, depending on weapon speed and type.

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Old 06/11/06, 2:20 AM   #25
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Originally Posted by Kytrarewn
Hive Defilers Wristguards -> Bracelets of Wrath.
I also like Bracelets of Wrath as far as bracer options go. If it came down to it I would take Bracers of Brutality over Hive Defiler's Wristgards, Qiraji Execution Bracers seem like a viable option as well.

Honestly I would like to see where Thunderfury/Maladath and Thunderfury/CTS rank (since that's what I use), although I suppose factoring in the proc rate could be an issue.

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