PvP realm Korgath - Deadline: Thursday, June 15 at 3:00 PM PDT
Players on these 3 realms will have the opportunity to transfer to the PvP realm Korgath:

Shattered Hand > Korgath
Stormreaver > Korgath
Warsong > Korgath


Since asking in realm forums is like getting yourself shot in the face, i would like to know if any of the other top end guilds from these select servers are debating on going or without a doubt are going.

Insomniacs is seriously thinking about it, the progression on this server(Korgoth) is a touch slow though and without much competition I fear that may be the doom of us. We would probably never see a World Wide top 50 again without some motivation, for those of you who arent familiar with Warsong though, its basically one of the Most Competitive PvP servers around, there are HWL groups consisting from several timezones and different Russian/Brazil/English speaking guilds.
We always have 1 Alterac valley and 3 of Each other PvP battle grounds up, almost throughout the day regardless of time.

I fear the consequenses of moving into a ghost town though.

I'd try to get Midnight to go if other guilds were transfering over. But odds are against it.

For what it's worth, I can remember precisely one successful raid guild surviving a transfer, and quite a few have been killed by it. The problem with the new servers is that they lack a base from which to draw upon - everyone's already in a guild or sucked so horribly they rerolled on a new server with a bunch of big dogs in the hopes of being picked up. There's less interesting stuff going on because there's no competition, the economy is dead, and in general the server just sucks.

Maybe someone can give you a counterexample, but my personal thought is that transferring is a bad idea.

Warsong has no base from which to draw upon either, almost 2/3rds of the server is non English due to the Russian and Brazillian gaming communities both independently choosing the last place alphabetical PvP server on launch day as their unofficial community server.

I wouldn't really expect people to leave Shattered Hand or Stormreaver, but Warsong is a different story entirely.

I have seen this as well in server transfers.

Although, if a few other guilds agree to transfer, then at least you have some competition and other people to help form an economy.

It doesn't appear that any notable guilds are going to be leaving Shattered Hand, but only time can really tell.

I moved my alt from Deathwing to Malorne and this pretty much hits the nail on the head. It is atrocious. PUGs are awful because there either are none at all, or the ones that are there are filled with rejects who couldn't make it on their own server. I highly reccomend against it.

A lot of guilds survived the Sargeras -> Detheroc transfer, I think 100% of the raid guilds that went with it are still in existance, most notably IO. Not sure if that's who you were thinking about.

Having transfered off of Warsong, to Gurubashi back in early October, I have to say that I'm not sure our guild would have done as well as we have, had we stayed on Warsong. Our guild actually PvPs a lot more now, than it did on Warsong, though that's probably due to lack of queues for Alliance here. I don't think theres anyone currently in our guild right now that regrets transfering.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Gurubashi was a dying server until the Warsong transfers. Even though at the time, the server had progressed that far pve wise due to having a late start, I think transfering has gave the other guilds some motivation to progress more, and they have for the most part, progressed faster I feel, than had we not been there.

When we did transfer, there were a few people left behind, but since moving, the pool of recruits, seems much greater on Gurubashi then it ever did on Warsong, even though it has a much smaller population. As far as competition/motivation for pve progress, we still keep in touch with a few guilds on Warsong, so it is still there for us at least.

Relentless stays. Our server is shit, but there's too many risks/uncertainties involved in transferring. We considered transfers the first time they came around (way back -- Bloodsclap) and it was definitely a good thing we decided against it.

I was thinking Nurfed Archimonde -> Dethecus personally.

Nurfed, FoH? There's at least two that (as far as I know) are doing well post-transfer.

Don't forget Vis Maior.

That was a long time ago, and they had just moved from an entire other game, I don't think moving from one server to another was really going to have much impact.

I think Sunder's still doing all right on Khaz Modan. Not sure, I don't play there, just have some friends that do.