Y'know, I'm really liking the idea of a "loot list" for cross-class items. It doesn't limit people, but it does help eliminate surprises.

Good stuff!

Classic examples include Vis'kag, Deathbringer, Thunderfury, and the Eye/Hammer from Rag. If it's under a 10% drop rate, it's hard to sell people on the "it'll drop again, no biggie" line of thinking (you're looking at 4-6 months per drop on average).

The other advantage of a wishlist is that people will pass if they know someone is jones-ing for a certain item and they can set up side arrangements. We made a deal with the hunters that they'd pass on the first couple Drakefang talismans if we passed on the first couple Prestor's off Nef. Both items are clear upgrades for both of us, but one is slightly better for one class vs the other. Now if only we could sell the warrior's on not picking up Maladath for tanking...

This is fantastic advice. The interesting thing is that this can be customized for your guild. For example, in 6 months of MC (with 4 of those being complete clears including Rags), we've only had 3 SoDs drop. So people are just a wee bit touchy about them. Same with the Dark Iron Ring...only 2 drops.

My guild is at a similar stage of the game. We've just recently taken down Vael and Broodlord. We were getting Rag to 20% in phase one by the time we took down Vael. I'm not sure if that's typical of the level of DPS needed, but it sounds like you're at about that level.

We have no loot restrictions on our DKP and for the most part everyone knows what they should and shouldn't take. The first 3 or 4 Brutality Blades and CHTs went to rogues, and recently hunters have started taking them. The only rogues that still need them either barely raid or have only been with the guild for a few weeks. Although the weapons would be better utilized on a rogue, i'm not sure the hunter with 99% attendance and 1000 dkp should have to pass to a rogue with 40% attendance and -500 dkp. I like the idea of a "first dibs" system, which is basically what we did without having it written down as a rule.

I can't imagine that your hunters actually want VK or Perdition's. They ought to be after Fang of the Faceless, MH Hakkari, Brutality Blade, and Core Hound Tooth. Your guild seems to be at a point where some or all of those should be available to the hunters unless you have awful luck with weapons.

Yep forum threads work well ashuko. We also have one built into our DKP system to make it somewhat easier to see whos where in the line for various items.

I like the concept of x drops to y class first. Then opening it up. Provides the opportunity for people who are at the top or saving points to do so without permanantly locking loot to certain classes. Or you could allow people with a certain amount of standing/veterency/contribution/points earned to gain priority off class over people lower in whichever method you prefer to track that are in the priority class.

Historically i have seen various classes get very upset at the idea of 'uber item' for their class going to someone not of their class. A good example is azuresong mageblade and paladins. Sure it was arguably better for the raid to give that to casters but at some point it should cease to be important. Hopefully blizzard implements enough rewards on similar tiers that not everyone feels the need to progress from item a to b to c. But that instead we can give 1-5 items to class x then open it up for anyone who has points and wishes to buy an item the opportunity. (or new content comes out faster than the epics/week formula allows everyone to get uber item anyway)

Those are actually better for hunters than the BB/CHT combo but they don't seem to drop very often. Your rogues probably won't care much about ZG weapons since you're in BWL. It works out pretty well, rogues get the nice new weapons from BWL and hunters get the ZG weapons (which just happen to be the best for hunters).

Why do you think I posted here to kick this whole thing off??

;)

Something else I'm pondering here...you guys are mentioning drops that will happen "deeper" in BWL than where we're at currently. So this problem is just not going to go away. I'm wondering how worried I need to be about things like the Drake Fang Talisman.

I think at the very least we need a list. Perhaps some sort of prioritizing (like 1:1 for hunters/rogues or 2:1 rogues/hunters) is a good idea...our guild will have to decide that sort of thing as a group though.

Regarding the FoF/MH Hakkari combo - anyone have the math to back up the idea that they are better than the Brutality Blade/CHT combo?

There's still a period of farming before you get back to working on hard bosses in a lot of cases. Once you've killed Vael, there's nothing you shouldn't kill after a couple tries until Nef. Once you kill Nef, you have the first half of AQ40 to learn before you hit bosses that are harder than him.

Hakkari/FoF = +2% crit, +56 AP
BB/CHT = +2% crit, +38 AP

No detailed math required.

This is a good point and something that I overlooked in offering advice.

Shalas, you've raised another big question that a lot of guilds at our point in the "progression cycle" are asking: skip AQ40? Head straight to Naxx??

It's certainly gotten some discussion amongst guildies for us.

Someone beat me to it, to sum it up 56 AP beats 38 AP and worthless strength.