Eh, sort of. Obviously it's understood that all else being equal, people who were around for learning are going to have some priority when it comes to farming, but it's usually just a matter of letting people know that attendance has been dropping off. A lot of people often don't sign up for stuff because they figure they aren't needed -- once they realize that they are, they'll sign up. Just the usual bumpy patches around finals time and such. The remaining active memebrs of EJ are generally a fairly progression-minded bunch who like working on new content. The only raids I really have to twist arms to fill these days are MC raids.

Filling AQ raids has never been a problem. Getting 40 together for C'Thun attempts in late March after a month of wiping to him sucked, but I doubt you could find a guild in the world that was full of enthusiasm about C'Thun after a month of wipes with no progress.

I can't say I've ever been in a position of having to do so -- I don't know. We started out with a very large base of mature players and no real designs about raid progression. Somewhere in there we ended up with a lot of really good players who like raiding. Go figure. We're lucky bastards.

In terms of looking for it in recruits, that's tough. If someone wants to get into a guild, of course they're going to say, "No way man, I love wiping 24/7, that's what I play the game for, to challenge myself and to overcome those challenges. When I'm making my ninth corpse run of the hour, only then do I truly feel alive."

It's hard to wade through the bullshit, so you really just have to judge people by their actions.

Edit: I'd say there are three reasons to raid--
1) You like PvP and do PvE so you can PvP better.
2) You enjoy the challenge and teamwork of overcoming PvE challenges.
3) You enjoy the e-peen of flaunting your epics in Org/IF.

You want as many players in Group #2 as possible. The Group #1 guys are a mixed bag, and some will be dedicated the way you want them to be, while others will not. I can understand that, and I don't fault the Group #1 guys at all for their perspective, because it makes sense to me. Mock and shun Group #3, however.

Token drops and the DKP dilemma

The big thing about Group 1 types from what I have seen is that as long as raiding is fun and the raid is making progress, they will enjoy it, won't complain about speccing PvE for learning, and generally be good raiders. The problem of this group occurs when things like C'thun are broken for months on end, and they'd much rather go PvP than wipe endlessly to mobs that don't really work. In my experience, as long as they see progression on the horizon, they are okay with PvE specs and raiding for the duration. It's just that when it looks like progression is blocked for a while, this group becomes way more unwilling to raid.

Exactly.

Yeah, I read the thread. It was the question of prioritizing tokens that I was curious about and didn't see.

For example, lots of people arguing here about priority on weapons to Rogues vs. Fury Warriors. Was wondering if the converse was being discussed: a Rogue should never get a token over a prot-spec'd MT.

No. I haven't seen all the fights in Naxx but most of the ones I have you'd be as well off giving the set piece to a rogue or warrior. While a single well equiped tank will make some fights easier more damage will universally make everything easier.