a guild member mentioned a weird jin’do strategy one night after several failed attempts on the son of a bitch. The idea is to let jin’do get 4 healing totems up (he can only have a max of 4 totems up, so you just keep killing the MC totems until all 4 are healers). then you just keep him Mortal Struck and other things that decrease healing effectiveness, and dps through his heals. this eliminates the need to constantly be switching off of him for killing totems so dps classes, especially melee dps, can focus on him and crank out the dps.

The question, however, is can a normally balanced 20 man raid dps through all that healing? Assuming that 1 mage is on the pit killing skeletons, and 1-2 other random classes is killing shades, that leaves 18-17 people to try and dps through 4 of those totems. kinda a tall order.


Thoughts?

No

Still have to swap off to kill shades, and the totems heal a huge amount, even with wound poison and MS up.

Probably wouldn't work too well.

EDIT: You also forgot that you wouldn't just have tank and DPS. You bring about 6-7 healers as well.

^^^

10k heal per totem every 3 seconds. With MS, Hex of Weakness, and full Wound Poison stacked, you're still looking at 4 totems healing for 2325-3730 (depending on how the debuffs stack) per totem every 3 seconds.

You might have better luck with a stacked 4 mage raid letting him have 4 MC totems out, keeping the MCed individuals sheeped, and doing that pure DPS strategy. Or you could just kill the totems.

It's largely about having a balanced and -attentive- raid more than anything. Kill shades, kill totems, kill Jin'do.

About the only variation we might do is if there's a competent druid to tank just to mitigate the Hex.

Yeah, it sounds kind of dumb unless you can pull him outside of range of the totems somehow but I think it's just way easier to do him normally :)

We take the approach that the totems are major threat in the fight and not the boss. Jin'do goes down like a wet noodle once you start DPS on him. Just have your ENTIRE raid break off of DPS on Jin'do whenever a totem is dropped, killing the MC and Healing totem has much more priority than DPS on Jin'do himself. If someone gets the curse, they must kill a shade - and if they don't they need to make it very clear that they did not so that the next guy can kill more than one.
Largo hit it on the head by saying you need an attentive raid. If you have guys that think they can just spam one button and pay minimal attention to the fight you'll fail.

OR a decent dispeller to remove it...

It's more about attentive raids then any kind of balance. My favorite Jindo was going in there with 0 rogues and 7 warlocks. Each dropped an infernal when they were cursed and apparently those things eat shades when put on aggressive. Much fun indeed.

I laugh softly to myself when I accident put dots on the raid... or multishot them :D

Trust me, our guild has no competent dispellers. I'd know. ;)

Perhaps you can make it with some enslave imps (+ firerain) around Jindo. 3 Warlocks with 3 Imps => insane dps...

Hex and MS do not stack.

We used to this, we called it "brute forcing ZG". The imps DPS is so high that the can actually tank any of the bosses in ZG. Really really risky to do now with the restrictions on Enslave Demon. The chance of it breaking enroute or during the fight could really screw your attempt up.

it is possible to farm zg with 2 warlocks + healersin a 5man group (for rep + bijou, gold etc..) ? óÒ

Sorry for my bad english :`(

<--- Alliance newb. Good to know.

Well, anything is possible.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...73222433818517

Have you raid, everyone, set up this macro and use it to target and retarget at regular intervals.

It targets shades, then healing totems, then mind-control totems, then Jin'Do.

/script T,mt,C="target",{"Jin","Brain","Powerful","Shade"},ClearTarget;for i=4,1,-1 do TargetByName(mt[i])if(UnitExists(T)and UnitIsEnemy("player",T)==1)then if(UnitName(T)=="Sacrificed Troll" or UnitIsDead(T))then C()else break;end else C();end;end

Sure, you can farm the crocodiles, they give 4 rep each and you can just keep resetting the instance to get to them. And kill some fish along the way at 4 rep each as well. Tried this for awhile and got about 1k rep an hour doing it.

However, the imps method does NOT work anymore. The diminshing returns to the Enslave Demon spell make it impossible to hold the imps for more than a few minutes. At best they're only good for helping to kill the other imps near the Edge of Madness area. At worst, they break Enslave while doing this and now you have one more elite beating on you.

If you mana drain Jin'do and keep stinging him after the initial drain, he will not drop healing totems, only MC ones.

This can certainly help while your raid learns how to react better/faster in swapping DPS to the totems when they drop.

We used that macro for out first few goes at him and while it works there were complaints that it didn't turn on attack :(
So I asked on the Blizz UI & Macro's forum about optimising it so it would, this is what they came up with:
I am the tank so I haven't used it but there was some very positive feedback although a couple of people thought it was not always attacking if they spammed it too much.
Either way if the players are competent and target the things in the right order you will win so I haven't looked into if there is a bug in it ;)