I did nothing for the latter half of our normal mode kill apart from watching people doing their jobs. I still managed to draw aggro without casting anything. It's possible I proximity aggroed.

There is precedent for a boss mechanic not targeting certain classes, for example Gurtogg Bloodboil's Fel Rage could not target warriors (for some unknown reason).

It couldn't target anyone with rage, presumably because Fel Rage on a tank would trivialize half the fight.

Not sure if it was just because I was a druid tank, but I most definitely remembergetting fel enrage as a tank on the fight, I even SSed it because my health was so ridiculous.

For those that have completed the 10man heroic, is it a 2 or 3 healer raid?

We've cleared up to Anub'arak with 3 healers on all fights. Beasts have a pretty tight enrage timer for 5 non-uber-synergized DPS in 10 man gear though.

Same, and I've seen him Fel Rage a DPS Warrior in our guild. Similarly, I've got a screenshot for where I've been snobolded. Mind you, it may well be a preference thing. One of the crappier attempts on Heroic and as such we didn't really have a lot of people left for the snobold to pick. As you can see from the raid frames.



//edit: Replaced the imagehost - HDimage.org was fucking up again.

Is anyone else seeing varying times between knockback+stun and when the trample hits on Icehowl? My first instinct was to tell people to not be retarded but there was about 1.7-1.8s to move after the stun ended and when he hit them, making it impossible for anyone without a movement boost to get out in time. One of the victims was a priest with body & soul and he didn't make it out.

As this is not tactic, i assume we can discuss it. Correct me if i am wrong.

Parses from last night show 1.5 second between stun end and trample hit. I am not able to check succesful escapes due to WoL lacking reasonable log browsing capability. Log: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis (see attempts 6, 10, 11 for example).

Anyone can tell if 1.5 seconds is enough to get out? And if that is normal.

EDIT: I found WWS log from other tries ( Wow Web Stats ):

1:07'05.297 Icehowl #2 Massive Crash was removed from Skeletorian.
1:07'07.782 Icehowl #2 gains Staggered Daze.
Diff: 2.5

1:08'01.422 Icehowl #2 Massive Crash was removed from Bloodlance.
1:08'04.422 Icehowl #2 Trample hits Rayae for 65080 Physical.
Diff: 3.0

1:52'27.407 Icehowl #3 Massive Crash was removed from Feya.
1:52'30.266 Icehowl #3 gains Staggered Daze.
Diff: 2.8

1:53'26.375 Icehowl #3 Massive Crash was removed from Shadowfiend #12.
1:53'28.891 Icehowl #3 gains Staggered Daze.
Diff: 2.5

1:54'25.375 Icehowl #3 Massive Crash was removed from Trupster.
1:54'28.704 Icehowl #3 gains Staggered Daze.
Diff: 3.4

Sort of. I've failed once and succeeded twice -- however, the second time I succeeded Icehowl decided to MC Hammer his way across the wall and into my face. Has anyone else experienced a similar thing, or was it just me lagging?

Not that it should have any severe impact on the fight, but out of sheer curiousity, does anyone know if "Reduces the duration of all Stun effects..." talents have any effect on the Massive Crash? Just a passing thought.

You have around 3 minutes for each (from the start of the RP, there's 23 seconds of it until Gormok starts hitting people), if you kill them earlier, 15 seconds later, the next phase will start. After 3 minutes of Icehowl, he enrages.

remove please

Blayze, if he hits someone else on the charge to the wall, he'll enrage before he hits the wall. This prevents the stun and makes him a big red MC Hammer. He'll shuffle sideways into anyone in range then start eating the rest of the raid (barring a rapid Tranq).

I've dodged the charge every time, but seen others in our 10man eaten. I suspect Pursuit of Justice was my edge - anyone without movement speed on boots or a talented speed boost will likely be hard-pressed to dodge.

Also, I run diagonal - sideways and out, so I won't be hung on any wall textures. Technically this should put me closer to him sooner, but it has yet to bite me. It's possible the wall crash is treated as an AOE to a degree and this gets me out of blast range faster than mere strafing would.

we first pulled Heroic Champions yesterday (we were the first surprised when we compare with our tries in the 10men version) and I noticed that our Protection Warrior (who stayed in this spec for charge, shockwave and shield bash) got aggro on war and death knight during almost all the fight. I had to pain suppress him 3 times in order to save him.

Is it something unusual ?

Judging by 'damage taken' being 4 times higher than next person on list, our feral managed to keep agro quite fine for majority of fight. And seeing that plenty of that damage is non-physical, he was close to dying few times as well. While it's the melee that have real burst, stacked dots can do tons of damage on random people, so if they do target the "tank", it will hurt.

It's not unusual, just means he was doing his job. If he's rotating stuns (including revenge stun), taunts (which do work for the 3 second duration), and his "charges" (intercept/charge/intervene) he can force the NPCs to target him for large periods of time.

it seems that opponents are immune to taunt effects in Heroic. But I will investigate with him because it was not his main task when we prepared the pull.

Are you absolutely sure the enrage timer is accurate even if you killed the others earlier? I have read elsewhere that the timer is based on the start of the whole fight - but the timers listed were approximate, so that wasn't a direct contradiction - just an implied one.

This is incorrect, you have 3:30 for Icehowl. The timers seem to be 2:30, 3:00, 3:30 for Gormok, Jorms, and Icehowl respectively. I still don't have an answer for the previous question of whether or not its an absolute 9 minutes though. Note that while the RP will begin ~10 seconds early, the mobs become active at exactly these times.

Everyone gets a 50% speed boost for a few seconds when they recover from the stun. As PoJ doesn't stack with other movement buffs, that's not the issue in your raid.

In Heroic, you don't receive that speed boost.