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Old 08/21/06, 1:16 PM   #76
Celandro
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315 buffed is not very hard for a warrior. Just using the cc leg quest + crafted plate(gloves, bp, belt)+ crafted mail (bracer) + crafted leather (boots helm) + crafted cloth (shoulders, back) is going to get you pretty close.

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Old 08/21/06, 1:17 PM   #77
 Oggie
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Not to mention the libram enchants, which are 10 nr to helm/leggings, and cost all of 3-5g.

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It makes me want to hit Marge Thatcher on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.

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Old 08/21/06, 1:18 PM   #78
Darkchani
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Arthas
Originally Posted by hubar
err, how do you guys get yourself all geared up NR 300+ with only craftables and Maraudons?

(I know AQ also drops some very nice NR pieces, but luck isn't on our side, as always)
you only really need 255 unbuffed, since you get 60 from shaman totem or hunter aura

then you grab rings for 20 each (the one from dragons is nice for the stam), 20 from trinkets from maraudon, 15 from cloak enchant, 5 from shoulders enchant, you're at 80 already. If you are tanking huhuran you will need green dragon loot to reach 255 unbuffed while keeping decent stats. Even without 255 unbuffed NR you can MT her tho, you just need to addapt your strategy... ours involves having the tank purposely die (much to the guild's pleasure ;), which is why we havent ever bothered taking a strategy with more... finess) and SS back up to act as a soaker.

If you're just a soaker, especially as a warrior, you can easily reach 255, its not like either your dps or your armor matthers ... its all NR and stam, so cloth, leather, mail, plate NR, so long as you dont have aggro you're good.


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Ugh, noncombat pets.

Our first Emps wipe in a long time a couple of weeks ago was followed by me saying on Vent, "Well what the fuck happened there? That was just odd, almost like... ... wait a minute ... Tank#2, did you have ... fucking Mr. Wiggles!!" :angry:

I'll leave the rest to the audience to figure out.
Reminds me of when we were learning them... Goblin land mine... you can imagine the rest...

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Old 08/21/06, 1:30 PM   #79
 Oggie
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Lightbringer
Oh! Do some lords! The scepters turn into THE NR ring of the gods, and make your life ever so much easier.

Originally Posted by bartolimu View Post
It makes me want to hit Marge Thatcher on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.

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Old 08/21/06, 3:08 PM   #80
Kalmiroth
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We've killed 3 times huhuran, first time we had 15 closest guys +200 nr unbuffed except 2 tanks who were @ 120 or something and keeping a lot of stam/armor. First kill was easiest. Now we've killed her 2 times after that with dudes ranging from 150 unbuffed to 260 unbuffed nr... Thou, we're forcing low nr guys out of raid if theres guys who have given time for their nr gear. Keeping 180 unbuffed as a "ok" limit. We wiped totally 5 times to huhuran pre kill :()
Soaker groups: 3 melee/hunters+shaman+priest. Chain heal+Poh keeps dudes alive. 1 Designated healer for ot, poh in mt grp and few healers for mt. SS both tanks. 30% first tank SW healers try to keep him up as long as possible. He dies, takes ss and while that 2nd tank shieldwalls and tanks her to end.

Nr for rogues warriors and hunters.

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Old 08/21/06, 3:45 PM   #81
Shokk
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My guild's target is 180+ unbuffed (240+ buffed) for the soakers. Many of our soakers use more (I go for 255+) and its obvious during phase 2 who has 180[240] NR and who has 255[315] NR.

Our tanks have been using 255 unbuffed (315 buffed), but we might scale that back to 181.


Another thing to keep in mind here is that Warriors, Hunters and Rogues do not need to worry about using lower armor categories. The only damage the soakers take is spell damage, so Armor Class is irrelevant. Almost of our warriors have used a combination of Ironvine and Bramblewood gear, and a few have gone with Sylvan Shoulders for more stamina over the green shoulders from strath. (Emerald Dragon shoulders are not available to us).

Basically with the latest patch a Soaker Warrior can obtain all the NR he/she you needs simply from crafted gear:
Bramblewood Helm + Enchant = 40
Sylvan Shoulders + Enchant = 25
Gaea's Embrace + Enchant = 35
Ironvine Breastplate = 30
Sandstalker Bracers = 15
Ironvine Gauntlets = 25
Ironvine Gloves = 15
Cenarion Reservist's Legplates + Enchant = 35
Bramblewood Boots = 25
Total = 245

Grab one Heart of Noxxion from Maraudon and voila! 255.


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Old 08/21/06, 4:17 PM   #82
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Saw something today in the Raids and Dungeons forums about having 15 people standing closer than the tanks to prevent the tanks from having to soak Poison Bolts, I'd normally dismiss it as the usual tripe, but it doesn't seem as illogical as most of that stuff. Anyone here perhaps know if it works?

More a curiosity thing than something I really need to know an answer too though.

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Old 08/21/06, 4:45 PM   #83
Hiatus
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Dragonmaw
Originally Posted by Chicken
Saw something today in the Raids and Dungeons forums about having 15 people standing closer than the tanks to prevent the tanks from having to soak Poison Bolts, I'd normally dismiss it as the usual tripe, but it doesn't seem as illogical as most of that stuff. Anyone here perhaps know if it works?

More a curiosity thing than something I really need to know an answer too though.
I can confirm this works, it's how we're learning her now. 4% is currently our best but I think with a little bit better organization of the phase 2 healing we'll get her. Her hitbox is a little bigger than she is, and having the NR wall stand just in front of the MT as he's tanking will allow him to avoid the bolts assuming no one dies. We felt that having the MT in full Wrath rather than mostly NR helped a great deal in mitigating her already pretty hardcore damage.

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Old 08/21/06, 5:24 PM   #84
Shokk
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Originally Posted by Hiatus
I can confirm this works, it's how we're learning her now. 4% is currently our best but I think with a little bit better organization of the phase 2 healing we'll get her. Her hitbox is a little bigger than she is, and having the NR wall stand just in front of the MT as he's tanking will allow him to avoid the bolts assuming no one dies. We felt that having the MT in full Wrath rather than mostly NR helped a great deal in mitigating her already pretty hardcore damage.
I'm not sure I like this strategy... it means 17 people need heals instead of 15. Also any NR Soaking hunters would have to melee DPS.


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Old 08/21/06, 5:43 PM   #85
Jekar
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Orc Death Knight
 
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Originally Posted by Shokk
Originally Posted by Hiatus
I can confirm this works, it's how we're learning her now. 4% is currently our best but I think with a little bit better organization of the phase 2 healing we'll get her. Her hitbox is a little bigger than she is, and having the NR wall stand just in front of the MT as he's tanking will allow him to avoid the bolts assuming no one dies. We felt that having the MT in full Wrath rather than mostly NR helped a great deal in mitigating her already pretty hardcore damage.
I'm not sure I like this strategy... it means 17 people need heals instead of 15. Also any NR Soaking hunters would have to melee DPS.
I'm not as convinced. I think as long as the total amount of damage is constant, it's easier to heal a larger number of people than a smaller number. We get around this by having a Shield Wall rotation while Huhu is berserk, but I think it's easier for focus healers to keep a tank up through Huhu's "PMS phase" if you don't have them getting hit by 2k+ poison bolts on top of the melee.

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Old 08/21/06, 9:48 PM   #86
Beliandra
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Daggerspine
Originally Posted by hubar
err, how do you guys get yourself all geared up NR 300+ with only craftables and Maraudons?
Here's my profile - http://ctprofiles.net/1452859 - 249 NR unbuffed, 309 with hunter aura. I could equip a crappy green ring to max it at 315, but I'm not sure it's worth it.

I actually farmed everything I could use from Maraudon in preparation for Huhu attempts.. then patch 1.11 landed before we made any, I crafted a bunch of stuff, and threw away almost everything from Maraudon - I only have the two Hearts of Noxxion in this profile.

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Old 08/22/06, 2:59 AM   #87
Elki
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Murloc Rogue
 
Alleria
We have two tanks standing at max melee range on opposing sides of Huhuran, one to the front and one behind. We then have all of our additional melee soakers stand huddled between the two tanks (still slight room to backstab), so the tanks hardly ever have to deal with being slept as it will usually be cast on one of the melee soakers and the tanks won't be in range. This is just a sweet deal for the trivial bit of the fight, it makes tanking a breeze.

Just before 30% and after the final sleep have melee spread out to max range all around her and start DPS, that way they're not all being slept at the same time and a large portion of them can continue DPS throughout the blitz. It shouldn't matter as much if the tanks are slept at this point, because only one will be slept at a time. The first tank should pop Lifegiving, Last Stand and any other fancy tricks before the next AE sleep. I believe there's enough time to pop one trick and the next just after waking from a sleep.

I personally don't have much advice for your healers as I'm pretty focused on the melee side of things. Just be sure that they stagger and spread out. Your PoHers should all be on opposing ends of Huhuran (North, West, South, East), so if any are hit it'll just be one at a time. Between spot healers, green Warlock candy, NR pots and whatever else you bring to the fight, the majority of your soakers should be able to hold out long enough to DPS her down.

Here's my max NR gear on my rogue: http://ctprofiles.net/profiles.ct?a=...229&pid=111847

I usually drop a couple pieces for DPS gear. Obviously there's a better craftable cloak available now that could replace some of my epic NR; however, those are from AQ40 pre-Huhuran, so nothing fancy. We've had no Green Dragon kills and did her in before all of the fancy, new craftable NR, athough fixing her AE silence kind of negated that. :ph34r:

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Old 08/22/06, 7:46 AM   #88
baghwan
Glass Joe
 
Murloc Priest
 
Alleria
How do your groups usally look on a HH kill?

Assuming you have 5 of every class, and bolts arnt hitting your MT

1)
Warrior(MT)
Warrior(OT sponge-assigned priest)
Pally("..)
Hunter("..)
Warlock

2)
Melee Sponge(Warrior)
Melee Sponge(rogue)
Melee Sponge(rogue)
Hunter(sponge)
Priest
3)
Melee Sponge(rogue)
Melee Sponge(rogue)
Melee Sponge(warrior)
Hunter(sponge)
Priest


4)
Melee Sponge(warrior)
Melee Sponge(rogue)
Hunter(sponge)
Pally(sponge)
Priest

We have just resently started on her and still debating on PoH vs Assignment for the 30% sponges

If a PoH priest gets silenced uses their macro for their group to eat a NR pot, a swing priest and druid cover their people as well.

3 druids, 1 priest and 3 pallies + swing healers when free = MT healing after 30% going all out.

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Old 08/22/06, 8:26 AM   #89
Morfina
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Gnome Death Knight
 
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