If you take advantage of the fact that you can swap trinkets every 30 seconds, it's incredibly good. Nothing can come close to the damage it does over the 60 second period you have it equipped. According to the combat daggers spreadsheet, with the default gear BB gives 10 dps, while Renataki's gives 8 -- but it pulls ahead pretty quickly in situations where you aren't always attacking (like almost every fight in the game), and that's ignoring whatever benefit you may get from the extra combo point. It's not the best option for the slot, but it's far from bad in PvE.

Lifegiving gem is a good trinket most warriors will keep for a very long time (but not always equip). Then again, the same can be said for quite many other trinkets, so it fits the characteristics of the slot. Trinket is the 'gimmick' slot and there are a lot of situationally good toys and tools for it. Trinket is the one slot where you can really customize your gear for each fight.

Am I alone in hoping for an epic equivalent of a Hand of Justice sometime in the near future? Its effect is truly Unique at this moment and I don't plan on always sticking with Swords and Sword Spec.

While I consider the hunter one a toy, the rogue one is basically an improved version of Adrenaline rush from how a rogue explained it to me (due to cooldown, the extra energy gained over a 6 min period was larger then what the 31p talent would give). So I can understand it being considered very nice.

The reason lifgiving is such a great tool is the fact that it scales with warrior gear because its based on percentages.

Concerning Renataki: I use it in PVP and there it really shines, being a mini thistle tea with 3 mins CD. But then, its mainly PVP from my point of view and I can see how trinkets like drakefang easily edge out renataki.
The greater problem regarding itemization is imho the scarcity of alternatives. You get only one or two items per raid instance per slot. Everybody in IF looks the same.

I personally don't like bonuses at all. Useless bonuses are well.. useless, and good bonuses force you to keep old items. I don't even like the idea of set bonuses in an MMOG.

Engineering-crafted >20 slot trinket bags please. :)

the only time i ever unequip my renateki's in pvp is when it's on cooldown. i actually use it in some PVE encounters where burst damage is especially important as well, like viscidus.

Yeah, counted that as a new one off. =/

Adrenaline Rush is basically 150 extra energy every 6 minutes. Renataki's is 120 extra energy every 6 minutes.

viscidus?

i'm not sure how many fights in the future will have similar mechanics, with sustained damage or even damage over a reasonable span of time being entirely meaningless and burst being everything, but as i mentioned before, i equip my renataki's for visc to kill blobs faster, and i know our rogues who have theirs do as well.

i'm actually a big fan of items that aren't just good, but are situtionally great, and i like the fact that proper evaluation/management of trinkets like these can give people an edge. it's much more interesting from both a design and player perspective than just items with bigger numbers and more stats.

C'thun Phase 1 is pretty much a "stand there and beat on one thing for 5 minutes" type of fight, you just have to move a bit, that doesn't actually change your DPS much though, especially as an SS build.

Bladefury + AR, thistletea or Rentaki's is also a very nice situational combo. Doubling your SS output is better than 48 more SS dmg in some fights.

No disagreement there, AR's cooldown should definitely be shortened, but I think it should remain a 31 pt talent.

If you're stunned, your "sustained" talents aren't doing any DPS either. As far as the length of the fight, that's kinda the point. It's a long enough fight that you can use AR multiple times during the fight (usually twice, three times if it's going slowly), and yet it allows you to pull out that extra energy.

Ebonroc is too quick for you to get two ARs out of it (though the argument can be made that 15 seconds of double energy out of 3 minutes is better than 30 seconds of double energy out of, say, 7-8 minutes, which is definitely true). Flamegor is probably too quick. Firemaw, it might be useful, but chances are you'll get unlucky with resists when you pop it.

Sartura? Pop, WW, and you either need to run back out or you die
Fankriss? Use it for the Snake or Fankriss himself, but you're going to lose a fair bit of time swapping targets.

I'm starting to see your point about it not being useful in newish content, but from the opposite side of the fence. I consider it to be a talent useful for sustained DPS, but not burst DPS, if only because, in the encounters that require said burst DPS, something's going to happen to make you lose or waste a substantial portion of the AR.

Eh, let's agree to disagree even though, I think, we're both saying the same thing.

Jewelcrafting could do alot for varied itemization if it actually forces you to choose between different upgrades to your gear. Much in the way Enchants do, except they need to be far more costly to change and perhaps a bit more varied (because most characters of the same class go for the same enchant regardless of build). We have seen some divergence in enchants like +shadow power instead of just +magic and this is a good thing.

You want Fury warriors to not choose the same gems as a tank or a survival hunter to not choose the same jewels as a marksman. And these items once crafted, need to be hard but probably not impossible to reset with gems. Perhaps 100 gold to strip a item of its gem properties. What this does is, even though all warriors may be having the Ubersword 101, they are going to have different versions of it.

The only way you end up with varied endgame characters is to force choices. Just like talents do. If the initial thought process of this thread was followed, meaning simply collecting individual items with unique functions it would not cause varied characters. High end raiders would still be the ones with the time, skill and organization to collect them all. Every end guild tanking warrior would simply have the same collection of dragonslaying sword, taunt procing armor, and axe of automatic parry for 3 seconds. Then when the appropriate boss comes up they all use that item. Forcing choice where you cant have all options at once is the way to go toward variation. And if the best items are unique and also socketed, there is no possible way to have all the combos for it.

I use it to do an AR+Evasion combo on one of the guards.. you can ignore their whirlwind when you have 80%+ dodge, and pour on the damage, making sure you finish with 5cp for a big stun.

15 seconds isn't very long, just pop it on Fankriss after killing a snake. Or save it to use on a snake if things go wrong and he stays up too long.

I'm not sure what this will change, if anything, from enchants. Fury Warriors today do want different enchants than prot-spec Warriors (although they don't really have a lot to choose from), although this ends up being the same Crusader enchant that the rogues get. Hunters want different enchants than rogues (+15 agi > Crusader). But the top choice for a healer is still +55 healing > 22 int, etc. And making them difficult to change just makes you smarter up front rather than blowing through multiple versions.

It was stated in many of the jewelcrafting interviews that you could reset it, apparently by simply putting a new jewl on top of the old one, overwriting and destroying the old. But no indication was made of any cost inherent in that, basically same as overwriting 1 enchant with another.

Even with something like C'Thun, as a rogue I would rather be using burst damage trinkets. On this fight I tend to keep earthstrike and badge of the swarmguard equipped. Your sustained dps doesn't matter as much as you DPS during weakenings or on flesh tentacles.