You're a leech who doesn't properly prepare yourself for raiding and even point out the fact in your post.

If you really want to help the raid and not be lazy or selfish you would farm for Major Manas and the herbs or purchase the moongoose pots. Do you get the materials or by nature protection potions for Ahn'Qiraj? Do you have any Tubers or Night Dragon's Breath for emergencies?

My point is every class should spend the time they need to be prepared for raiding. Whether that cost is in potions, repairs, enchants, temporary enchants, etc. is all the same.

Rachel's post above me is how she uses her mage to get the materials her warrior needs. Everyone does their part, shouldn't you be doing yours?

I'd like to see more examples of herbalism instanced. Have treant packs in DM West guard dreamfoil nodes, stash mountain silversage there, put 10 gromsblood nodes under Immol'thar, throw a tonne of dreamfoil/plaguebloom in Stratholme, give me a reason to run these instances (other than DM East) instead of trawling through Azshara/Felwood/Un'goro bored out of my mind looking for dreamfoil nodes.

Competing with farmers in EPL who have chest/herb/mining nodes memorised, getting extorted by people playing the AH, being bored out of my mind running around azshara looking for herb nodes, it's not my idea of fun and it certainly isn't a social experience. Give me a 5 or 10 man instanced way to get some good herbs that takes teamwork and makes the time involved unnoticable because the encounter is enjoyable.

^ you have my vote.

I have not seen a rich thorium vein on my server outside of Dire Maul in 6 months. Similarly riding around a zone for 3 hours and not seeing a single herb node is not my idea of a fun time.

Gather professions like herbalism and mining are really poorly scaled (read: not at all) for higher population servers. Granted we have a large contingent of farmers on our server and perhaps the situation is better after the bannings. Although many of the farmers play legitimately - just running around farming nodes without any hacks, so there'd be no reason to ban them...

lol - i ALWAYS bring the necessary consumables to every raid. when i needed them, i used major mana potions - as a hunter, i can generally get by with combat potions/mana oils/downranking aimed shot with JOW/BOW mana regen. i bring mongoose pots when i'm not provided with them (and i certainly dont' ask for them), and i always have a stack of greater nature resist pots for every AQ raid (rather than the cheap regular ones half our raid seems to use :-P). i use ice-threaded or better arrows every raid, when i could easily skimp and use the far-less-expensive Jagged Arrows. I contribute 2 sets of Flask of the Titans materials and one Repair Bot to the guild bank every month. My point is that i can easily generate enough gold to sustain myself doing all of these things without any out-of-raid farming, as well as keep all of my gear in top-quality enchants whenever i get an upgrade, so i really don't see the terrible necessity for massive solo farming. perhaps i wasn't clear in my post, but i regularly do ZG and AQ20, which are reasonable money makers, and BWL is more or less Cashwing Lair at this point. So no - i'm not a leech, and i do more than my part for every raid i attend, and i sustain what seems to me a perfectly reasonable level of consumable use for every raid i go to.

do i use potions on every encounter? no, because i don't need to. drinking a mongoose pot, for instance, on any fight before Huhuran in AQ is just overkill, as is (generally) burning a mana potion, for me at least. our progression certainly hasn't been hindered because we don't use massive amounts of consumables all the time - when we need them, i use them, and when i'm using them, i'm providing them myself.

I am a holy priest, speced for max gimpage even. I got a lvl 60 warrior alt, but he is protection. Then again, who likes to grind mobs. At least on my server, DraenorEU, my mining and herbalism combo has worked great for money. We dont have queues, but its definatly not a low pop server. Picking flowes and mining feels a lot less like work, and i am pretty sure i make more money then the people farming Tyr's Hand.

Farming and economies vary server to server. However I assume on higher pop servers, the non-scaling stuff is worth more, meaning PvE specc'd players can do stuff like DM:E with it's 10 Gromsblood spawns to put away some gold.
Offhand but how many major mana potions are you going through a week? The only time I've been using them has been emperors/huhuran, with occassional usage of the superior mana potions in lower rank fights if stuff if going really bad (ie a lot of dead healers) I assume Ouro would need them as well, but you're a fair bit better geared than me.

Tickle me curious.

As I mentioned -- YMMV. We tend to be pretty forceful about "All morons --> Door" so a priority system's downsides pretty heavily outweigh any potential benefits...

Pardon for inflamation.

GDS are really, really nice... on fights where you can use them.

Back to the original derail, I'm poor as all hell, but most of that is my own fault when I see what I think is a moneymaking opportunity and end up dropping 100g. I can usually farm just enough dreamfoil to finance my addiction. Also, it'll be nice when I'm actually selling my transmutes rather than stockpiling a billion living essences.

I dont see how you can need a lot of potions once things are on farm tho. I dont think i used even a single combat mana potion last AQ clear, and i had the most healing done of all priests, so its not like i am slacking on the heals. I got mageblood, mana oils and tons of major manas in my bags, but its just not needed.


On the original topic. My guild uses a zero sum system. All items have a set price, no upgrades or discounts of any kind. We have a general rule wich gives classes that will use the items for raiding gets prio on items, but being a guild with quite few members it dosnt take long before the main classes got what they need. I cant think of any shadow priest item i wouldnt be allowed to pick up. We really dont have any loot problems ever, but i guess that has more to do with our members then it has to do with our loot system.

Since the thread hast already been threadnapped....it is pretty easy to sustain your own needs. Do a 5 man here and there or go AQ20 or better ZG (more money drops). For this kind of farming you don't need dps gear and doing strat scarlet side can be pretty profitable. But then again, our raid supplies mana potions for our healers for new encounters, same applies to our tanks who get subsidized by our raidbank. Most raids should have enough cash to do this.
If you need cash, another way to farm it is to 20 man Onyxia. Nexus shards, quite a lot of gold and an 18 slot bag....plus you can sell a sinew if it drops.

DPS gear might be more of an issue if you do some rep grinds like circle of cenarius (7k rep to go to get Earthstrike).

Just how ?

And don't get a crafting profession i suppose. Skinning/Herbalism or Skinning/Mining help a lot to raise funds while leveling.

I would be happy with 60 in 8 days, minus the gold. :(

The new xp->gold system is ridiculously useful for making fast money on a new character/alt too. I recently hit 60 on my Warrior grinding/instancing most of the way from 55 and then at 60 I did all the EPL/Silithus/other random 55+ quests. Three days later, epic mount and money to spare.

Isn't the black sinew BoP?

i assume he means bringing an out-of-guild hunter and offering the sinew for X gold.

we were actually debating selling AQ40 quest items (bindings/helms/etc) since we're running out of demand for them, but i personally have no desire to bring a pug along to, say, twin emps or c'thun. :-P

Yes.

Hunters don't particularly benefit from most gear upgrades you can get while leveling, so you can save a lot of money on that. I think the single most expensive item I bought was a Heartseeking Crossbow for 10g at level 51. Other than that, just pure grinding with a bit of luck. I did 38-45 in the badlands getting 20-30g/hour just from the elemental earth, and the grey drops add up pretty quickly. Once you're past level 20 or so there's always a good money spot to grind in, and it's often the best xp spot as well.

For whatever reason, while I hate farming, I enjoy grinding. Sense of progression?