Lefty

This new patch is bringing a few new and interesting dps trinkets and i would like a few opinions comparing them with existing ones. I am looking at this from the perspective of a rogue, although i wouldnt mind seeing how each of them rate for a warrior both fury or MS.

Slayers Crest
Use: Increase ap by 260 for 20 secs
+64 ap

Kiss of the Spider
1% crit
1% hit
Use: Increase attack speed by 20% for 15 secs

Jom Gabbar
Use: Increases attack power by 65 and an additional 65 every 2 secs. Lasts 20 secs

Earthstrike
Use: Increases attack power by 280 for 20 secs (2 min cooldown)

Drake Fang Talisman
+56 ap
2% hit
1% dodge

I havent been able to find the cooldowns on any of the new trinkets.


On a different note, do these have any signifigance or is it just thotbott datamining gone wrong?

http://www.thotbott.com/test?sp=28081
http://www.thotbott.com/test?sp=28088
http://www.thotbott.com/test?sp=28107

 

Ultramax

Those are just unused spells.

Slayer's crest is clearly the best, it's also a Sapphiron drop so don't worry about it.

 

Anglakel

I understand the need to control mudflation, but seriously can I just get a 3% chance to get an extra attack trinket to replace my Hand of Justice? Too much?

Edit: To contribute to the thread, what is it about the 1% hit 1% crit +20% IAS on use trinket that makes me think "OK, this is certainly useful but I think we deserve better for the level of difficulty to obtain". Hand of Justice and Blackhands Breath (and for hunters, the DM class trinket) are consistantly used over newly introduced physical dps trinkets every time they are patched in.

http://www.ctprofiles.net/1689539

 

• Wodin

Kiss of the Spider will eventually be better than all of them. However, its value will vary depending on your gear and since I don't know what you've got, I can't tell you what it's worth.

Otherwise,

Slayer's Crest > DFT > (Kiss may be here if you've got good-great gear) > Jom Gabbar > (Kiss may be here if your gear is mediocre) > HoJ ~= Earthstrike in terms of sustained raid DPS.

Edit: remember to take personal style into account as well - clickable trinkets don't do much if you're not using them every time the cooldown comes up, and if you're really into micromanagement you can time them with other abilities for big bonuses. So some people will get more out of certain trinkets than others will.

 

Largo

The idea of popping KotS with troll zerking, rapid fire, and IAofH Proc makes me giggle.

 

Lefty

Is it still possible to vanish and switch trinkets? i havent paid much attention to that i stopped doin that when i got my badge of the swarmguard but once i get earthstrike in about a week! i might try that again.

the jom gabbar is a strange trinket tho, it'll do some crazy damage at the end, itll stack up to 650 ap.

 

◊ chalon

Well, according to the modeling I did on it in the spreadsheet, even with my current gear, which is a mix of AQ and BWL's best (still no Death's Sting or BoNEA though, qq), Kiss of the Spider is better than DFT, by about 2 DPS. However, Slayer's Crest is 1 DPS above that.

But if you look at the dream gear profile with the best of AQ and Naxx more or less, Kiss of the Spider is 1 DPS above Slayer's and 4 DPS above DFT.

 

Lefty

thats what got me thinking really, but if i blow adreanaline rush with slayers i think itll more than make up for it

 

subscience

Blade Flurry + Slice & Dice + Kiss of the Spider = wow?

 

Malan

Is the Jom Gabba a reference to Frank Herbert's Dune series, or am I nuts?

Shitting up every single thread on EJ since '06

 

• Wodin

It makes me giggle too because the spell effect was melee haste only the last I checked. :)

I hadn't put my gear through chalon's updated spreadsheet, but messing around it looks like he's right on the money - my tiering was off and Kiss is actually better than DFT. Realistically it looks like you should basically get the first two epic trinkets you can get your hands on and be happy. :)

And yes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gom_jabbar

 

◊ Praetorian

 

Ragaman

Yeah it got changed :3

Edit: Damn you Gurg, go back to work :(

"You tell her she's a bitch!!"
"I can't, she's dead"
"Then you tell her she's a goddamn whore!"

 

• Wodin

Well, the title of the thread is "melee trinkets" so if we're really quiet they'll never need to know.

Good to know that it got fixed, though. Would being hasted that frequently be something that might make a different bow speed optimal?

 

Fellwraith

The value of each varies a bit based your build and existing stats.

Jom is gimmicky, you'd have to micromanage your energy to get the most value from it (keeping in mind the global cooldown) but it's much better than earthstrike assuming comparable cooldowns. It strikes me as being a decent thistletea sink for the last couple tics.

Wouldn't you need a pretty darn high white dps base to make KotS that much better than the Slayers' Crest, especially when you factor in glancing blows? The only benefit your sinister strikes get from that trinket is the 1% crit (you've got plenty of +hit from all the other tier 3 toys).

 

CheshireCat

Not nuts. The "gom jabbar" was a poison used in a ritual to test someone's ability to endure pain.

Do we know where it drops? If it drops off a giant sandworm, that would pretty much cement it.

 

• Wodin

True, but most rogue builds these days are built around maximizing white DPS due to energy starvation. And it's only very slightly better when kitted out with a full Naxx set, which is quite a ways off for everyone involved. For me personally, "white damage" is up to 58% of my total output now, and that's only going to continue to get worse.

 

Zagzil

Of course, there's the type of fight to consider as well. In fights where you move in and out of melee range, and are at times simply regenning energy (twin emps being the ultimate case) then white DPS is somewhat lessened.

Hopefully 2/8 Dreamwalker combined with 4/8 Bonescythe alleviates the energy starvation problem somewhat though, it'll really depend on the proc rate of the 2/8. I doubt it'll make a huge difference honestly, due to the spammable nature of our instants and the lack of scalability of energy, we're pretty much always going to be energy-starved.

 

probiscus

WTB more +hit gear.

My white damage (AQ40 to emps / full BWL clears) rarely exceeds 50%, and when it does it ends up around 52% or so. Am I just being dumb (distinct possibility), or should ditch HoJ/BhB for the royal seal?

Up to this point, I've basically min/max'd my character via Chalons spreadsheet, but in doing so my +hit drops to around 9% oddly enough. My 40 DPS OH might have something to do with it, but I can't see it making *that* much of a difference.

 

rochan

Prob couldnt you just check using the spreadsheet? Add melee + finisher and divide by the total. That gives me about 60% white damage which is pretty accurate.

 

Taeme

It was a test to prove you weren't an animal. An animal would ignore the death threat and pull away from the pain, the man who knows it's doing nothing will endure knowing otherwise she'll kill you. The poison itself inflicts you no harm if you don't fail, but of course it kills you if you do.

you're the one that decided to trust me

 

Fellwraith

Yep, makes sense to me. What surprised me is that there will be items good enough to cause the scaling function of KotS to be a more significant boost than 260 burstable attack power + 60 constant attack power. I would have expected it to be a bigger deal post-expansion. As you pointed out, it's not a huge difference either way, just surprising.

 

• frmorrison

The off hand gets 75% of its dps if you have talent, so assuming you had a 55 dps OH, 15 * .75 = 11.25 more dps just from the weapon, not including the attack power bonus added on. Do you max use of Slice? It really adds up.


Back to trinkets, I am glad there are some new ones added. They are all great items to have, the only problem is every melee class will want them :).

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