Melee Trinkets - Page 2

CheshireCat · 06/20/06, 5:02 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Is the Jom Gabba a reference to Frank Herbert's Dune series, or am I nuts?

Not nuts. The "gom jabbar" was a poison used in a ritual to test someone's ability to endure pain.

Do we know where it drops? If it drops off a giant sandworm, that would pretty much cement it.

• Wodin · 06/20/06, 5:09 PM

Originally Posted by Fellwraith

The value of each varies a bit based your build and existing stats.

Jom is gimmicky, you'd have to micromanage your energy to get the most value from it (keeping in mind the global cooldown) but it's much better than earthstrike assuming comparable cooldowns. It strikes me as being a decent thistletea sink for the last couple tics.

Wouldn't you need a pretty darn high white dps base to make KotS that much better than the Slayers' Crest, especially when you factor in glancing blows? The only benefit your sinister strikes get from that trinket is the 1% crit (you've got plenty of +hit from all the other tier 3 toys).

True, but most rogue builds these days are built around maximizing white DPS due to energy starvation. And it's only very slightly better when kitted out with a full Naxx set, which is quite a ways off for everyone involved. For me personally, "white damage" is up to 58% of my total output now, and that's only going to continue to get worse.

Zagzil · 06/20/06, 5:20 PM

Originally Posted by Wodin

Originally Posted by Fellwraith

The value of each varies a bit based your build and existing stats.

Jom is gimmicky, you'd have to micromanage your energy to get the most value from it (keeping in mind the global cooldown) but it's much better than earthstrike assuming comparable cooldowns. It strikes me as being a decent thistletea sink for the last couple tics.

Wouldn't you need a pretty darn high white dps base to make KotS that much better than the Slayers' Crest, especially when you factor in glancing blows? The only benefit your sinister strikes get from that trinket is the 1% crit (you've got plenty of +hit from all the other tier 3 toys).

True, but most rogue builds these days are built around maximizing white DPS due to energy starvation. And it's only very slightly better when kitted out with a full Naxx set, which is quite a ways off for everyone involved. For me personally, "white damage" is up to 58% of my total output now, and that's only going to continue to get worse.

Of course, there's the type of fight to consider as well. In fights where you move in and out of melee range, and are at times simply regenning energy (twin emps being the ultimate case) then white DPS is somewhat lessened.

Hopefully 2/8 Dreamwalker combined with 4/8 Bonescythe alleviates the energy starvation problem somewhat though, it'll really depend on the proc rate of the 2/8. I doubt it'll make a huge difference honestly, due to the spammable nature of our instants and the lack of scalability of energy, we're pretty much always going to be energy-starved.

probiscus · 06/20/06, 5:20 PM

Originally Posted by Wodin

For me personally, "white damage" is up to 58% of my total output now, and that's only going to continue to get worse.

WTB more +hit gear.

My white damage (AQ40 to emps / full BWL clears) rarely exceeds 50%, and when it does it ends up around 52% or so. Am I just being dumb (distinct possibility), or should ditch HoJ/BhB for the royal seal?

Up to this point, I've basically min/max'd my character via Chalons spreadsheet, but in doing so my +hit drops to around 9% oddly enough. My 40 DPS OH might have something to do with it, but I can't see it making *that* much of a difference.

rochan · 06/20/06, 5:36 PM

Prob couldnt you just check using the spreadsheet? Add melee + finisher and divide by the total. That gives me about 60% white damage which is pretty accurate.

Taeme · 06/20/06, 6:05 PM

Originally Posted by CheshireCat

Originally Posted by Malan

Is the Jom Gabba a reference to Frank Herbert's Dune series, or am I nuts?

Not nuts. The "gom jabbar" was a poison used in a ritual to test someone's ability to endure pain.

It was a test to prove you weren't an animal. An animal would ignore the death threat and pull away from the pain, the man who knows it's doing nothing will endure knowing otherwise she'll kill you. The poison itself inflicts you no harm if you don't fail, but of course it kills you if you do.

Fellwraith · 06/20/06, 6:15 PM

Originally Posted by Wodin

True, but most rogue builds these days are built around maximizing white DPS due to energy starvation. And it's only very slightly better when kitted out with a full Naxx set, which is quite a ways off for everyone involved. For me personally, "white damage" is up to 58% of my total output now, and that's only going to continue to get worse.

Yep, makes sense to me. What surprised me is that there will be items good enough to cause the scaling function of KotS to be a more significant boost than 260 burstable attack power + 60 constant attack power. I would have expected it to be a bigger deal post-expansion. As you pointed out, it's not a huge difference either way, just surprising.

• frmorrison · 06/20/06, 6:19 PM

Originally Posted by probiscus

Up to this point, I've basically min/max'd my character via Chalons spreadsheet, but in doing so my +hit drops to around 9% oddly enough. My 40 DPS OH might have something to do with it, but I can't see it making *that* much of a difference.

The off hand gets 75% of its dps if you have talent, so assuming you had a 55 dps OH, 15 * .75 = 11.25 more dps just from the weapon, not including the attack power bonus added on. Do you max use of Slice? It really adds up.

Back to trinkets, I am glad there are some new ones added. They are all great items to have, the only problem is every melee class will want them :).