Hi, my guild and I are currently at the twin emps, we have seen the Fetish drop 3 times now, and have sharded it once because DPS warriors didnt want it. My guild's foucs is on PvE. Is this item as godly for warriors DPS(in certain situations such as emps?) as my perspective provides? Are we wrong to have to consider forcing it on them? Or should Mages/Locks be the only class to take it?

We gave it to our highest DPS fury warrior, he has a bad habit of pulling aggro and dying. He uses it all the time now, it allows him to Reckless Execute and actually survive. One of our mages also has one, he used it a few raids and then hasn't equipped it since, said that the short amount of time doesn't really allow for much casting to take place. It seems like its meant for melee or hunters because of the ability to spam instant attacks while its active.

fetish + arcanepower = a happy mage

1. Don't use Heroic
2. ??
3. Profit.

Where 2 is probably Blessing of Salvation ^^

I had hoped my warriors would see the use of it in a fight such as the Twin Emperors whereby they clean aggro each port. Is this a valid observation? Also, call me blasee, but I pretty much nuke at every fight(586spelldamage) and aggro isnt a problem.

Fetish of the Sand Reaver is best for DPS warriors out of any class because we go into hyper mode every fight(20% or less mob hp). Pop fetish, recklessness, and death wish at 20%, and spam execute for 20s without pulling agro. At least, I imagine you won't pull agro. I can't say for cetain, I don't have it.

Anyone know if this stacks with BoS so that you generate 0 agro for the duration?

I don't like forcing loot on anyone, but if your dps warriors are pulling agro too much, and they aren't doing anything stupid(mashing HS), you might want to force it on them.

Definitely good for AoE. In naxx, those spider packs that look oh so tasty to start AoE nuking will get you one shot real quick. However, if you pop the fetish, you can go nuts after a couple seconds and not have to worry.

We gave our first one to a druid, and it works real well when opening fights. Having a crazy huge HT crit at the start of a fight does not do good things for a druid's life expectancy.

Anecdote time: Last week I pulled Vek'Lor with a shadowbolt and turned and ran into place. I turned and waited for him to get to me and noticed he wasn't there. Looking over to the right side, I see him blasting the hell out of a druid and the emps were chain healing. Suffice it to say I pull with a couple spells now.

I think it multiplies, not adds. Else you could go below 0% threat.

I hate your dps warriors passing on this with a passion. I've been waiting for one for weeks (drops when I'm not there and goes to a rogue /sigh).

It's not useful on the twin emps tho, since they clear aggro every port, and you cant use it every port.

Why would you shard this item ever?

The only class I could see not finding a use for this is hunters, and they could probably manage a way too.

Beef: I can't really imagine any way where a rogue would want it either.

Fetish Is probably the best scaling item in the game right now. It will be usefull on every agro sensative fight in the game, forever.

It also stacks with salv and I would assume tranq totem.

Our warlocks love it for solo farming, because they can really go to town on mobs while not pulling aggro off their voidwalkers.

One of our hunters got this and used it is as his "opener," along with the Hunter ZG trinket that resets aimed and multi shot. Then he would FD and switch trinkets. It was pretty amazing how he put out significantly more damage during that no-threat shot cycle. It's pretty awesome for hunters because they can keep switching.

When I was dps fury, I used it. It's nice because its the same cooldown as Deathwish so I just made a macro that used both at the same time. Also useful in conjunction with (as previously stated) Recklessness, Earthstrike, and double crusader procs (the times when you are likely to pull aggro). When trinket is active you can HS freely to burn some excess rage, too.

Why? I just don't see a circumstance where it's worth putting that in a trinket slot, when we have Vanish available every 5 minutes.

Let's say you're doing 600 DPS normally. That equates to 480 threat per second (on the 1 threat = 1 damage scale, accounting for passive 20%). Let's assume you save all your cooldowns for during the trinket and can pump 900 DPS during those 20 seconds (via AR+ES+BF, for example). So you'd normally generate 720 TPS, and with the trinket on, would generate 216 TPS over those 20 seconds. So you've now avoided 10080 threat, at the cost of (minimum) 2% crit passive.

Or you could feint 10 times.

In a 6 minute fight, which one will provide you with more damage overall?

I really don't see a use for it for rogues.

edit: removed hunters, since (as someone else pointed out) they can feign and switch it out while it's cooling down.

err - i think your math is drastically off here. it reduces your threat BY 70%. 720 would go to 216, not 504.

Yow. I'm dumb.

That said? It's at the cost of a few more feints. I still don't buy this as a generally useful rogue trinket when Vanish wipes aggro.

Kenco like to post here from time to time, let's hope he reads this thread. He's mentioned before that all buffs under this category stack additively:

http://www.thottbot.com/?e=Apply%20A...at%20%28All%29

This includes imp pet aura, it's worded the same way.

While all under this category stack multiplicatively:

http://www.thottbot.com/?e=Apply%20A...20%28Threat%29

I'd like to trust Kenco's word since he's done extensive work on threat. This would mean BoS + Fetish = 0 threat generated for 20 seconds. Can no one go test this? Just get your buddy to whack a mob once and then turn around, see if you can steal agro.

This weapon is godly for fury warriors.

Before I had the trinket, I'd go full out for a while, cool off for a bit, and still pull auto-attack aggro. With this thing, I pop it every chance I get in raids, with deathwish at the same time. It's great to use at the beginning of a single target fight, with deathwish, and by the time the cooldown's up the boss is usually right at 25% when you can use again for execute spamming.

Currently use DFT + Fetish and DFT + BB/HoJ (depending if I'm wearing HoER/Bloodsoaked or Lionheart/Titanic).

I'd still use it on twin emps because you can get about 3 uses out of it during the 10 minute fight if you time them correctly.

Whats the point of this on the twin emps? You can manage 5 ports without pulling aggro, you certainly can on the 6th as well.

I guess if you are somehow skirting the edge of the MTs threat without deathwish, and deathwish would pop you over the edge, it might be useful on that 6th port, but thats at the cost of 2% crit on the 5 other ports.

Frankly a rogue taking this is almost as bad as a warrior taking Death's Sting.

I could see this usefull for a deatwish+ this opening indeed. Otherwise you really risk pulling aggro. Just for the fact you can get more use out of deathwish this would maybe make it worthwhile.

I also tend to do the "all you can eat combo" once I reach executes range, deathwish, bloodfury, recklessness, the dps is stupid and often can get you over the edge, I guess that would prevent this.