Hey, it's one of the best weapons for us as well, don't be hatin' :(

I'll definitely wait until all the dagger rogues have one, but Kingsfall + Death's Sting + Aged Core Leather Gloves is probably the best combo warriors have for raids. Edgemaster's Gauntlets sacrafices too many other stats to be worth much.

I guess it is, due to the stupidity of the +skill mechanic.

Oh how I wish I rolled an orc with their overpowered racial.

Oh how I wish I rolled a human with their overpowered racials. +swords *and* +rep. Sigh.

it's funny, because early on people thought humans had the worst racials. then it turns out that +skill is good beyond belief and diplomacy reads "skip 10% of game content".

cool.

Well at least they don't have bloodfury :).

Like someone said earlier, Horde warriors sub 19% are just becoming silly. Last week on flamegor I was at ~7.5% of raid dmg at 20%, and was at ~9.3% after blowing my load.

Yeah diplomacy sounds like pure BS to me when it seem all I do these days is try to get more faction.

On horde side I'm happy I picked up orcs, +5 to axe, Bloodfury in it's current version is decent and scale with gear.

Bloodfury is 25% of your AP.

aka 'bloodfury is ridiculous'

http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=20572

BASE melee AP. It doesn't scale with gear, only level.

Apparently base means "before +AP buffs and +AP items, but after AP is calculated from stats including item stat bonuses."

Good point, but it still will let you go nuts on the last teleport when they're at ~~10%. I'm not quite sure if it's worth it then as it is giving up 2% crit on all the other ports. Basically just depends on your playstyle.

/agree kenco, was running UD strat and cast blizzard with frost channeling and fetish activated on the zerg after ramstein. the skeletons just kept running, no other party members did anything, appears to generate *0* *zero* threat.

That's curious since I believe all other threat reducing effects are multiplicative (except for those which explicitly reduce fixed amounts).

Did anyone test how this stacks with BoS? It seems Alliance would be able to have any class do no threat whatsoever with this trinket activated, regardless of other threat-reducing abilities. Not that I currently see any fights where that could be significantly abused but I guess it might prove an advantage sometime.

I have personally pulled aggro with Fetish + BOS up on a non aggro reducing encounter where nobody died (except me), so my guess is that talents + items/spells are additive, while multiple spells/items are multiplicative.

I guess that depends on if u play alliance or horde, with BoS the aggro would probably not be a problem, can't say for sure, since I obviously play horde, on twin emps no dps group will ever see a totem, so no WF or tranquil air, but even without WF pulling aggro from the Tank unless ur careful isn't very hard, using this trinket actually allows me to use skills while deathwish is active.

Was considering taking taking Fetish of the Sand Reaver, but as a long time fury spec'd orc warrior I honestly can't say I've ever had any problems over-aggroing.

Call bullshit if you want, but I would rather have Blackhand's/DrakeFang/Lifegiving (AKA the best trinket known to man) over the threat reduction until some Naxx mob stomps my face and proves me wrong.

If you're going all out as a horde fury warrior and never having aggro issues, you're doing something very, very wrong, are incredibly outgeared by the tanks, or need to slap around your raid leader a bit.

Not to hijack this thread, but I suppose it varies from encounter to encounter. You're right, I could just be doing something horribly wrong, or it could just be what I'm using for DPS gear (unfortunately I don't have a DPS profile put together to critique). I will say I do normally wield Thunderfury/Maladath with optional CTS/Edgemasters and basically all of my DPS gear minus a couple slots is epic with + hit/crit/attack power mods.

As far as abilities go, I have a hotkey setup for Bloodfury/Deathwish which I am able to use basically everytime it's up (baring encounters where I want to avoid the Bloodfury debuff), as for rage dumps I have a Bloodthirst/HeroicStrike hotkey and a Whirlwind/Cleave (improved) hotkey setup. From my understanding Whirlwind is the most efficient damage per rage, next to Heroic Strike (bad because of aggro modifier) and Bloodthirst (gear dependant). Cleave is supposedly a decent rage dump, although it's less damage per rage than Heroic Strike, you can avoid the threat modifier.

Now, I'm not trying to prove a point, but rather improve my play. If needed I'll toss a profile together with gear/spec, but does that setup sound decent to you?

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Edit: Just from re-reading previous posts, yes, I suppose if you Bloodfury, Deathwish, Recklessness, Earthstrike, double Crusader proc and mash Heroic Strike non-stop while the stars are aligned during a solar eclipse, Fetish of the Sandreaver would be quite invaluable. Just saying in the average situation I would rather give it to a mage, who in our guild, seems to constantly over-aggro at the most inopportune times.

Your gear is decent, but I'd have to concur with Shalas....or your tanks know something the rest of the world doesn't.

Are you using WF?

But why wouldn't all those cooldowns be up? You can easily save Deathwish, Bloodfury, Recklessness, and Earthstrike for the 19% mark.

Last night I used the trinket on Vael for the first time, popping all the above with 3 bonereavers procs, and got some 5200 executes in.