The order of application really is kind of irrelevant. Demo shout is 30 second duration, screech is 4 second duration. With the way hitboxes and the resists work (especially on maexxna for some reason), you have to mash it repeatedly for it to land. So for any extended period of time, the demo/screech will be applied last (assuming a refreshing of the debuff forces a recalculation - which it must, otherwise demo -> imp demo would show no improvement and be an obvious bug).

The data is pretty clear that the effects get added up linearly then applied, so I don't get what you mean by priority.

If you're asking Thep's question, about the 30% cap, then I've seen nothing to indicate that it works any other way than you'd expect. If the bonuses were not summed seperately then applied, then you would have the potential for massive exploits.

Playerstats work this way: Find a paladin with 65 agi. Scorpid sting him. He goes to 0. Use a 13 agi scroll, he goes up to 10 agi. If it didn't work this way, you could have tons of fun with demo and cor, and get a massively buffed up demon to enslave.

Is there any interaction between a mob's AGI and it's Crit rate?

I doubt it. Rather, I doubt there's anyway you can affect a mob's crit rate besides +def. Otherwise, a simple debuff would trivialize an important part of tanking.

During out spiderwing clear last night i decided to get one of our hunters to check if Beast Lore works and here are the results, just thought someone might find them usefull in this topic somehow. please note: this is without improved demo shout.

That's gotta be improved, the numbers make a lot of sense if it's w/ imp demo, they don't make any sense if it's not.

Anyways I did a few tests on imp scorpid sting, and it seems sta DOES multiply like atk/str does.

Imp scorpid sting is removing exactly 1000 hp from the snakes in zg. This would make perfect sense, as they're level 60 with 15260 hp. A multiplier of 5 would indicate that a normal level 60 mob would have 3052 hp, which is about in the right ballpark for a 'caster' template.

The fish in ZG has 9156 hp normally, and imp scorpid sting is reducing it by 600. Ie, it looks like a sta mulitplier of 3. Zulian crocolisk is experiencing the same behavior.

Borelgore lost exactly 3000 hp, out of 47160.

In other words, imp scorpid sting probably reduces the hp of a level 60 mob by roughly 6.5%. This would be why every remotely important mob is immune to it.

Still trying to figure out if it's useful. I'm kinda thinking it is, especially if we're going to be grinding to 70 in instances (ie elites). If you're gonna get like -15% melee dps from scorpid, then add 400 dmg on top of that (though the damage only works if the mob is 96%+), it could be useful.

So trying to reconcile this with the OPs statement that the -atp effects are linear. The first Maexxna calc (post about mid of page) showed it was a 16.3% reduction w/o imp dem shout. Assuming a linear -atp effect then 5 points in Imp dem shout would give 16.3 * 1.4 = 22.8% decrease. But the numbers in this above picture give about a 20.2% decrease which doesnt make sense from the -linear atp effect perspective. I put them all into excel to get more significant digits and i found that instead of being a 1.4 multiplier in this above picture the decrease from regular demoshout was 1.2396 which is basically 1.24, so somewhere between normal demo shout and improved demo shout. Imp demo shout is 5 ranks, each increasing the debuff by 8%. 3 points in it would give 8*3=24% or a 1.24 decrease from regular demo shout which is exactly consistent with the data. Now i want to know if the warrior that demoshouted before this beastlore was taken has 3 points in imp dem shout. If not there is something strange going on.

Also the data does seem to imply that as the creature level increases the smaller the base reduction % of demo shout. So lvl 60s from the OP were 24% ish which Maex/Mag at level 63 were both 16%.

It's not affected, I'm sure it's been said many times in patchwerk threads on this forum already.

Regardless, you should be trying to keep it up anyway, he still does an asston of melee damage.

http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=28308

Hateful strike does a set range of damage. It does not use Weapon Damage and therefore is not affected by PW's attack power. Demo shout only affects the damage the MT will take.

Thanks for the replies.

Late comer to this thread, hope you'll tolerate this small derailment. Is there a trick to using Demo Shout on the Emperor without aggro'ing the neutral bugs around?