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Old 06/30/06, 2:27 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Fellwraith
The order of operations for attacks against you is miss > parry/dodge > block > crit > crush > hit.
This is not true at all, and has been the subject of intense debate on these forums -- and there still isn't any real consensus on how these various things interact.

Fun fact: Apparently if you have very low defense (like someone with 200 defense tanking Vek'nilash thanks to UBS) crushing blows push crits off the table entirely. 100% of hits will crush, but none will crit.

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Old 06/30/06, 2:32 PM   #52
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order of precedence in melee attacks is a fun thing to theorycraft.

edit: now for content in my post

When it comes to a fight like Huhuran, post 30%... What healing spells do you guys start spamming? Do you stick with rank 4-6 HW (if you have healing way) or simply stick to rank or 5 or 6 LHW spam?

What has worked best for you all? Interested to see the different ideas on that.

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Old 06/30/06, 2:41 PM   #53
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The four NR-bitch shamans spam max-rank LHW on the MT. Any other shamans use chain heal.

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Old 06/30/06, 3:03 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
Originally Posted by Fellwraith
The order of operations for attacks against you is miss > parry/dodge > block > crit > crush > hit.
This is not true at all, and has been the subject of intense debate on these forums -- and there still isn't any real consensus on how these various things interact.

Fun fact: Apparently if you have very low defense (like someone with 200 defense tanking Vek'nilash thanks to UBS) crushing blows push crits off the table entirely. 100% of hits will crush, but none will crit.
Sorry for the tangent, but I must be misunderstanding the post with some of the research on shieldblock negating crits.

If theorycraft in that post is semi-accurate, wouldn't a higher block rate do very little for you other than having your shield block value mitigating some of the "hit" result damage? Regardless of the actual order that things are pushed off, it seems that "hit" is the "plug" that eats up the rest of the table. Unless the "hit" result probability is less than 5%, wouldn't block do very little for negating the spike damage? If 75% of the table is taken up with some combo of miss, dodge, parry, block, crit, and crush before shieldblock, another 5% to block should only push hits off right?

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Old 06/30/06, 3:10 PM   #55
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For all the alliance players that ever cried about grounding totem on huhu (which was irrelevant) I can only imagine what they would say if they knew how good ZHC + chain heal was for the huhu enrage.

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Old 06/30/06, 3:14 PM   #56
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Speaking of Chain Heal, losing the 3pc TS bonus hurts far more than I would've imagined. :(

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Old 06/30/06, 6:21 PM   #57
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5 SC 3 TS is the only way to chain heal

Originally Posted by Praetorian
Speaking of Chain Heal, losing the 3pc TS bonus hurts far more than I would've imagined. :(
I am truly disappointed they buffed HW instead of Chain Heal

And trying to Chain Heal in full Tier 3?


I'm Nature Resist Bitch, I spam LHW on MT and myself :(

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Old 06/30/06, 6:27 PM   #58
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
We have a decent mix of specs. Before 1.11, none of us have mana tide. Now, I think we have 2 or 3 shamans, myself included, with the talent. We have some 21/0/30s, some 30/0/21s, some 0/30/21s, some 8/13/30, and more, I think.

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No regrets at all so far.
Does Mana Tide still only tick 3 times? I was 0/20/31 right after the patch, but after BWL over last weekend I realized that Mana Tide was only giving me three ticks of mana instead of four so I went with 30/0/21, which is a more classic elemental burst damage PvP build.

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Old 07/01/06, 10:08 PM   #59
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Originally Posted by Bigman397
When it comes to a fight like Huhuran, post 30%... What healing spells do you guys start spamming? Do you stick with rank 4-6 HW (if you have healing way) or simply stick to rank or 5 or 6 LHW spam?
Chain heal is your friend

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Old 07/13/06, 9:30 AM   #60
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so.... curious to know what Enhancement Shaman dps was on patchwerk kill

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Old 07/13/06, 9:31 AM   #61
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Originally Posted by mnemus
so.... curious to know what Enhancement Shaman dps was on patchwerk kill
Uh, zero?

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Old 07/13/06, 10:31 AM   #62
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Come on now, I am sure that 'Searing Totem VI' put forward an honest effort.

My heart goes out to the 'dps' enhancement shaman.

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Old 07/13/06, 10:48 AM   #63
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Do your Shaman drop Searing Totem just to do a little extra dps? I guess it couldn't hurt, it is only around 150 mana.

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Old 07/13/06, 10:49 AM   #64
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Searing Totem is really nice now, especially if you have elemental fury. I keep it down as much as possible. Not on Patchwerk though. It's not so much the mana as the global cooldown -- when healing on that fight I get paranoid about so much as pausing to drink a potion or redrop mana spring, and the last thing I need is more such pauses.

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Old 07/13/06, 11:12 AM   #65
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Originally Posted by Shabadu
Have you not updated this recently?

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Old 07/13/06, 11:27 AM   #66
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
Searing Totem is really nice now, especially if you have elemental fury. I keep it down as much as possible. Not on Patchwerk though. It's not so much the mana as the global cooldown -- when healing on that fight I get paranoid about so much as pausing to drink a potion or redrop mana spring, and the last thing I need is more such pauses.
My guild is working through the abomination wing now, and we've started prepping for Patchwork strats. Would you say the healing is as intense as on HooHoo then? Or more like Twin Emps style endurance casting?

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Old 07/13/06, 11:30 AM   #67
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Both. Imagine healing the Vek'nilash tank if Vek'nilash did Unbalancing+Thrash every three seconds. For 6+ minutes. Now imagine there are three Vek'nilashes.

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Old 07/14/06, 3:02 AM   #68
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aww i was hoping to see some hardcore stormstrike shaman numbers

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Old 07/14/06, 10:24 AM   #69
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Would have to expand the dm to 30 lines.

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