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06/29/06, 5:12 PM
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#31
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King Hippo
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Honestly, I wish there was a way to fit Tidal Focus in there. I'm not particularly high on Healing Focus. Speaking as a priest, I went without the equivalent talent (2 points for 70%, tier 1) and never really felt it I was missing out*. I'd say that given Nature's Swiftness, I'd be even more inclined to do without.
Also, I'm not as high on parry as some. What's the percentage to parry for Shaman assuming DM Blues (I assume strength modifies it).
*I've since pcked it up on a respec, but honestly would be hard pressed to spend 5 points in it.
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06/29/06, 5:32 PM
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#32
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Soda Popinski
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Personally I can't imagine playing any healer class without the 70% interrupt prevention to heals talents.
As a priest, you have power word shield you can use on yourself to prevent interruption which can help in some cases, but it's not ideal due to its mana cost.
As a druid, when I go for silly super feral builds I skip nature's focus and it's absolutely brutal in any situation where I end up getting hit. Barkskin doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of good, since casting it and then casting a regrowth takes a total of four seconds to get off what normally is a two second heal. Shamans don't even have that.
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06/29/06, 5:44 PM
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#33
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Glass Joe
Murloc Warrior
Black Dragonflight
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
We have a decent mix of specs. Before 1.11, none of us have mana tide. Now, I think we have 2 or 3 shamans, myself included, with the talent. We have some 21/0/30s, some 30/0/21s, some 0/30/21s, some 8/13/30, and more, I think.
My spec:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...20300510503151
No regrets at all so far.
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Why did you go for 2/5 Anticipation instead of one of the tier two talents, or even 2/5 in blocking? Guardian totems and imp ghost wolf both look attractive to me as a non-shaman, so I'm curious as to why you chose 2% dodge over them.
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06/29/06, 5:53 PM
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#34
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Soda Popinski
Retired
Tauren Death Knight
No WoW Account
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Well I assume since he does some tanking he wants the dodge over the other 2. And he wanted to put the minimal in to get 5 in toughness. Seems his play style invites taking hits, so if so then build your talents around it. Not sure how useful ghost wolf really is for 60s anyway.
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06/29/06, 5:56 PM
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#35
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Mike Tyson
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Guardian Totems is really really bad because the underlying skills are pretty bad. Stoneskin and Windwall never get used. Stoneskin is -30 damage before mitigation. This talent would make it -36. When your MT is getting hit for 1500 after 2/3 mitigation is applied, you can see how silly that is. Windwall has no real applications that I've seen. I drop it in the workshop in BRD for all those little ranged guys. That's about it. Grounding Totem is good, but usually when it absorbs what it's going to absorb, it dies in the process. Reducing the refresh time on it isn't helpful in that light. Also Grounding Totem is increasingly useless in raiding. Every time something gets absorbed by it, it gets changed to not be.
Imp Ghost Wolf is good for leveling and getting away from NPCs instead of dying to them when a fight doesn't go your way. I never really use Ghost Wolf unless I'm running a flag, and I don't spec for PvP. Imp Lightning Shield is where I'd put the two points if I had to, but again, from a raid perspective, an extra few dozen damage when something procs my lightning shield isn't a major concern.
That leaves 2% dodge, which complements toughness. With my spec and gear, and without Subtlety, if there is an untanked mob going after healers, it will ususally be going after me. And that's intended. I have 7k'ish armor buffed, and will have 8k when I'm done with Naxx. Every bit of physical mitigation keeps me alive in those situations and lets me serve a useful function, absorbing damage that would kill priests/druids until a tank can get the mob under control. I also use Earth Shock a lot to rein in loose mobs that need to be tanked, and when my routine activities include things like Earth Shocking Noth, I like every bit of mitigation I can get. :)
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06/30/06, 2:12 AM
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#36
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Von Kaiser
Murloc Shaman
Smolderthorn
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So why did you get Thundering Strikes instead of Shield Specialization? Thundering Strikes helps more?
lol I didn't expect to see Berg and Bullbrain here
Here I am. The name is Shaman, Resto Shaman:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=GZbZEfxtAeqo
Also known as "the chain heal guy"
http://ctprofiles.net/987851
Well, someday
So when you pull Noth to you with Earthshock, how often do you die? What's your raiding gear like?
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06/30/06, 2:15 AM
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#37
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Mike Tyson
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Originally Posted by mnemus
So why did you get Thundering Strikes instead of Shield Specialization?
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Because Shield Spec sucks -- shamans have a low block value and low block %, which make a poor base upon which to build.
Edit -- I don't die too often. Obviously I would if he weren't pulled off me and I got no other healing, but I can live for long enough to make it a worthwhile course of action at certain junctures. My current set is: http://ctprofiles.net/32681
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06/30/06, 2:27 AM
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#38
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Von Kaiser
Murloc Shaman
Smolderthorn
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how many hits can you take from Noth?
i am really NOT feelin that Healing Way either :\
wait a sec, how many shamans are in the guild? if they're not all mana tide, what are they doing? I was 30/0/21 but I respec'd full resto cause there's kind of no point raiding with 30 talent points you don't really use, so why?
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06/30/06, 3:07 AM
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#39
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Sixty Coffee Beans
Blood Elf Priest
Mal'Ganis
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I raid a lot nowadays, I don't have Healing Way, I don't have Mana Tide. Yet I don't feel useless in raids at all.
In raid groups we rarely had more than one shaman per group, and not all of them have Mana Tide either. Whether they have Mana Tide or not, Healing Way or not, it allowed us to have greater flexibility in raid.
I don't get how people are not "feeling" Healing Way. I love taking advantage of Healing Way from other shamans on a tank. It made a huge difference, even for myself who only has 22 points in Restoration.
As for Mana Tide, I tried it out on test and I thought "Well, I guess it's okay, if not better than before." but I didn't like having to go beyond 21 Restoration just to get it. Just a preference I guess.
I often get put into melee groups or hunter groups so they can take DPS boost from my Enhancing Totems and Improved Weapon Totems. I really like doing that. Since the totems are so goshdarn cheap to cast, I don't mind relocating those if we have to, but that usually happens during trash pulls. It's very rare to move totems around in boss encounters.
Current shaman's talents does not feel like "cookiecutter" anymore. It is great having more diversity in our talents.
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06/30/06, 3:18 AM
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#40
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Von Kaiser
Murloc Shaman
Smolderthorn
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well for one thing it's annoying as hell just to try fitting it in, it just pisses me off on faerlina. I'm spot healin everyone, lhw, lhw, lhw, drop totem, drop totem, decurse, decurse, lhw, lhw, where the hell do you have time to use 1k healing waves consistently on a target if you're not healing an offtank? actually, i really hate using 1k 2.5s heal that needs to stack 3 times on a single target, anywhere
That's the main reason I'm not feelin' it, it's just so impractical. Do you guys throw lots of Rank 5 Healing Waves in Faerlina? How have you guys tried making exceptional use of Healing Way besides Razuvious?
btw, what's your gear set-up grim?
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06/30/06, 3:50 AM
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#41
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Sixty Coffee Beans
Blood Elf Priest
Mal'Ganis
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Okay let me set up a CTProfile then.
http://ctprofiles.net/2040683
Edit: It's all what I have on me currently (I excluded resist gear and the like), and I am working on catching up and looting more stuff along the way. However, I performed well enough in Naxxramas that I don't feel useless at all. Just need better gear soon!
Editx2: Oh, that spellpower on Fang, I looted it before they changed Fang to have dam/healing on it. I guess I'm too lazy to run Scarlet Strath to grab some orbs for Healing enchant.
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06/30/06, 4:04 AM
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#42
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Von Kaiser
Murloc Shaman
Smolderthorn
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you use that gear while healing in naxx? is that recent?
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06/30/06, 4:27 AM
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#43
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by mnemus
you use that gear while healing in naxx? is that recent?
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If he is healing, a set like that will be fine. While not ideal, the upgrades between sets (Ef -> Ts -> Sc) is minimal, if any at all. I still use Ef shoulders and bp when healing, since their is no easy-to-get alternative (cant get wild growth! :().
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06/30/06, 4:31 AM
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Von Kaiser
Murloc Shaman
Smolderthorn
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i'm actually interested in the fact it seems they're doing so well even while bringing relatively well geared shamans with all kinds of different specs, and the majority not having mana tide or anything beyond NS.
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06/30/06, 5:00 AM
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#45
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Soda Popinski
Sebudai
Orc Hunter
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
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Originally Posted by mnemus
So why did you get Thundering Strikes instead of Shield Specialization?
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Because Shield Spec sucks -- shamans have a low block value and low block %, which make a poor base upon which to build.
Edit -- I don't die too often. Obviously I would if he weren't pulled off me and I got no other healing, but I can live for long enough to make it a worthwhile course of action at certain junctures. My current set is: http://ctprofiles.net/32681
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I've actually been thinking about this talent more. Am I wrong in assuming that if you block an enemies attack it can't crit you? If so, I think that makes Shield Spec. nearly decent.
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