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Old 08/14/06, 6:47 PM   #31
balgrim
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Originally Posted by Gwaihir
Just did patchwerk last night, 6:21 kill, as alliance with Ash. JoW was up the entire fight, and I used two runes, two mana pots. one mana oil(one chage left, and I do DW =/ ), no mageblood, no nightfin (I used squid instead). I ended the kill with mana to spare. I have about 4900 mana buffed, for what its worth.

This was with a normal cycle as well. I do have 5/5 for 10% less mana cost on shots. I guess one thing that people can forget is to pop your pot or rune as soon as it would fill you to full, to get your cooldowns going.
10% less...

on...

Are you using Arcane Shot...?

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Old 08/14/06, 7:17 PM   #32
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Originally Posted by balgrim
Originally Posted by Gwaihir
Just did patchwerk last night, 6:21 kill, as alliance with Ash. JoW was up the entire fight, and I used two runes, two mana pots. one mana oil(one chage left, and I do DW =/ ), no mageblood, no nightfin (I used squid instead). I ended the kill with mana to spare. I have about 4900 mana buffed, for what its worth.

This was with a normal cycle as well. I do have 5/5 for 10% less mana cost on shots. I guess one thing that people can forget is to pop your pot or rune as soon as it would fill you to full, to get your cooldowns going.
10% less...

on...

Are you using Arcane Shot...?
I think he's talking about effiecency, you seem to be thinking of the 3/5 Striker's set bonus :P

Lactose, I'm glad to see this is updated, awesome work.

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Old 08/14/06, 7:33 PM   #33
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yea, effiecency. must have had a mental blip and left out the word.

<Gwaihir> mage time is like booterang
<Gwaihir> AUGH BOOTERANG
<Gwaihir> AUGH MAGE TIME
<Ama> AUGH MAGE TIME
<XI|> AUGH MAGE TIME

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Old 08/14/06, 7:52 PM   #34
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Ah, yeah for some reason 5/5 Strikers popped into my head instead of 5/5 Efficiency~ I very often take Efficiency for granted. I did some work for mana stability for Patchwerk and got called on my shot cost numbers by one of our hunters since he's PvP spec'd (5/5 Imp. Conc.). Oops~ :D

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Old 08/14/06, 8:02 PM   #35
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I would spec a mix of effiency and conc even for pvp =/ I always run dry for mana long before getting a free refill from dying.

<Gwaihir> mage time is like booterang
<Gwaihir> AUGH BOOTERANG
<Gwaihir> AUGH MAGE TIME
<Ama> AUGH MAGE TIME
<XI|> AUGH MAGE TIME

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Old 08/14/06, 8:08 PM   #36
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You could do what healers do and grab muse/old spirit vs. int and just find out how much time you spend under the 5SR empirically. Patchwerk is long enough that you should be able to get a fairly accurate number.

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Old 08/17/06, 3:55 PM   #37
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Lovely, an update :). I've been trying variations on the old download link to check if you've been sneakily updating it for a while :)

Would it be hard for you to print out values for Buffed RAP and Buffed Crit as well? Just to satisfy my curosity whether I've got everything filled in right and the spreadsheet values agree with my screenshotted character sheet values (aside from Hunter's Mark of course)?

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Old 08/17/06, 3:58 PM   #38
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oo one more request: would it be possible to add in an option for the +4% multishot damage from PvP gloves? Rank 12 gloves + 8/9 CS seems a sexy prospect.

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Old 08/17/06, 6:39 PM   #39
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PvP gloves noted, will see when I find the time to add it.
Post buff stats: Check cells B/C 145-148

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Old 08/17/06, 8:47 PM   #40
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Originally Posted by Lactose
Post buff stats: Check cells B/C 145-148
hmm. either I'm misunderstanding something, or the buffed stats aren't quite right (probably Bok).

Here's a screenshot of me buffed a while back - note my melee crit rate is visible in the top centre:



624 agi, 1650 RAP with AotH VII and TSA, and 23.79% melee crit (28.79 ranged).

Here's a CT profile with the unbuffed stats for that particular set of gear: http://ctprofiles.net/3323732

526 agi, 1234 RAP unbuffed and 19.90% melee crit (24.9 ranged).

Here's a screenshot of the spreadsheet, with buffs enabled:



I'm not sure what the values in cells B145:C148 represent, but they seem similar to the AGI RAP Crit values, but slightly off:

571 agi, 1544.2 RAP 27.75 ranged crit

Note that in cell B7 I entered my unbuffed RAP + AotH, since the comment only said to leave off TSA.

Am I misunderstanding something about the values I'm supposed to fill in?

edit: I looked at the formulae you're using, I think you're not applying the BoK modifier to base agi, only to buff agi >.>. So B145 should be:
=B63*B140+B141
and C145 should be:
=C130*C140+C141
And the Buffed RAP and Crit calculations need corresponding adjustments.

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Old 08/18/06, 4:15 PM   #41
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Should be fixed now. Care to test? =)
Changed cell B/C 141.

Edit: Other than that, how are people liking it? Lots of views, not so many comments :P

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Old 08/18/06, 4:23 PM   #42
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can you do the kiss of the spider vs slayer's crest math with full CS/slavemaker/etc ? :-P

trying to figure out if i should steal the next kiss or hold out for the crest :)

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Old 08/18/06, 4:27 PM   #43
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http://ctprofiles.net/160297
Would using that gear be fine? (Swap other trinket to..?)
Guessing you mean having 1 equipped all the time, using when possible and figuring out the average damage gains?

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Old 08/18/06, 5:08 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Lactose
Should be fixed now. Care to test? =)
Changed cell B/C 141.

Edit: Other than that, how are people liking it? Lots of views, not so many comments :P
seems to match screenshotted values for buffed alliance MM and LR hunters now thanks :P

comments? i like it, still trying to wrap my head around doing clipped rots with a rhok instead of my huhu, and why new evidence implies this is necessary, but that's a different thread :P

I've been meaning to ask, could you explain your calculation of the "1% crit == X RAP" value? Does that take into account the amount of DPS X adds to all shots on a cycle, or just the amount of DPS X adds to autoshots? I had a spreadsheet of my own a while back that did the former, and I couldn't see anything wrong with the equation i derived, but it produced shockingly low values (of the order of 1% crit adds the same damage to a full rotation as 6 RAP does). Whereas if I calculated how much RAP is needed to increase autoshot DPS (ie X/14) to equal the DPS increase of a full cycle from 1% crit, I got values similar to yours (~30 RAP to 1% crit).

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Old 08/18/06, 5:26 PM   #45
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I just do the same cycle calculations, adding 1% crit, 1 agility (converted to RAP and crit based on buffs and talents), and 1 RAP. Then I get the damage gained from this compared to the standard cycles, and compare them each other.
I guess I should explain it like...
Adding 1% crit would give the same damage boost per cycle as adding X agi or Y RAP.

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