◊ Praetorian

Here are the DMs from our Patchwerk kill:

(omg 10000 raid DPS that's impossible there must be a gimmick -- no).

Anyway, Patchwerk is a fascinating fight for the theorycrafter in me, because it really is like a benchmarking program for all your DPS classes. You are doing sustained DPS against a motionless target for 6+ minutes, in an environment where everyone is using mass consumables.

What really struck me about the above list, for us, is that there was a shockingly accurate correlation between DKP Earned/Spent and rank on the DMs (with the exception of Wodin, who was stuck in a group without Windfury and such by necessity and dropped a bunch of ranks as a result). That makes me happy, because it tells me that everyone is pulling his or her weight, and that our pricing structure is at least reasonable.

What did your guild's DMs look like? I'm curious to see Alliance vs. Horde differences, or differences according to specs. In the above, all of our rogues except for Khazal are some flavor of combat daggers, and all the mages are Arcane/Frost or Frost/Arcane. The three warriors up top are all Fury. (The warrior at the bottom is Arms, but Arms sucks for this fight and he was thunderclap-bitching for the whole time anyway so burning lots of rage on that.)

 

Kir

Quick aside, as our guild hasn't tried patchwerk yet and I can't comment.. Do your top rogues there have ctprofiles up? I'd like to see the equipment of your top rogues, especially khazal's vs the dagger rogues, in that DM.

Really iTunes? Free downloads while supplies last?

 

Gauss

Pretty impressive dps from a mage. Admittedly a lot of us mages play DKP games though so unless we pop mana pots like they're candy such dps is not possible. We have noticed that even on patchwerk that 17/31/3 fire mages can output 20-30% more dps than our highest frost mage though, although at the cost of popping 1-2 major manas per patchwerk, whereas frost/arcane mages don't really have mana issues with chain casting (wisdom ftw?).

Usually our DM's are much more stratified, as we don't really have any hardcore DPS warriors: Very often all 6-7 rogues are on top, then the 7-8 mages, then hunters/warlocks. The warriors usually have some sort of auxiliary role such as nightfall proc bitch because we run a caster heavy raid most of the time. As to the correlation between DKP accumulation and DPS, it's a bit skewed in our guild because a lot of people play some sort of games with the DKP system, ie pass on upgrades and just pvp to rank 13/14, so people who have spent virtually no DKP are up there in DM.

I should note though we have not killed Patchwerk yet because of... well Arthas sucks, but we have lasted 7 minutes in the fight before so we know what damagemeters tends to turn out like.

Noobing it up on Mal'Ganis since '06

 

oldmandennis

I've been kindof curious since they changed the weapon this patch - what's the proc rate?

 

Gauss

High enough that we have a warrior whose job is to make this weapon proc :p

Noobing it up on Mal'Ganis since '06

 

◊ Praetorian

We used CoR, for what it's worth.

 

diospadre

Rage nothing, clap falls off so easily that I was reapplying it every four seconds.

 

• moz

If only EJ had a thunderfury

 

◊ Praetorian

:angry:

 

diospadre

I will not join the ranks of the filthy fury scum.

 

◊ Drauk

588 dps from mage ? Thats really, really impressive. Is this profile http://ctprofiles.net/83773 accurate ?

Fun is for casuals

 

• moz

Would have been interesting to see a very well-geared Arms warrior in a dedicated DPS role on those DMs though (Choc etc.).

EDIT: and yes, that looks about right for Xane's gear (though I don't know what he was using for that fight in particular).

 

Jayblah

It pisses me right off that Hunters of Steelfleece's caliber are not even in the Top 10 on this balls out DPS-fight.

Hunters; sustained DPS indeed.

 

◊ Praetorian

Yeah, pretty sure that's his current set.

 

◊ Praetorian

If a hunter could out-DPS a rogue on a sustained fight against a stationary mob where aggro has no meaning whatsoever, rogues would be useless and would never be brought on raids except out of pity. Hunters were near the top of DMs against Grobbulus right after Patchwerk, by contrast. And they top DMs against Emps, Ouro, and other fights in that vein.

 

Jayblah

I understand and accept that, as seen here. Its being completely trounced by Mages in a single-target encounter that is aggravating. Operative word: Trounced.

And post 1.11, its pretty much every encounter.

 

◊ Praetorian

Every caster in this group had a Flask of Supreme Power, for one. There's no such thing as a hunter Flask.

 

Falcon24

I forgot to apply Blessed Wizard Oil :[

 

◊ Drauk

Well, that somewhat expalins mage dps. Also, is your mages respecced to arc/frost to be able sustain dps for 5 minutes, or its just a coincedence that they are all frost ?

Fun is for casuals

 

◊ Praetorian

We've pretty much always had exclusively frost mages since whenever. We've got one wacky fire guy who wasn't around for this. No one really respecced for this fight.

 

• Wodin

I had neither Battleshout or Windfury. If you look at the detailed parse, it meant that I had nearly 100 less melee attacks, and that those melee attacks did on average 40 less damage despite having a better set of weapons.

Buffs matter a great deal.

 

tenarius

I assume you were doing something more important than having Windfury though!

 

Digo

I'm guessing it was more a matter of not enough shamans to go around. There's no rogue gimmick to this fight. They can't tank hateful strikes.

 

• Wodin

I was the odd man out. 5 rogues, four slots in the DPS groups. :P The warrior in my group was trying deperately to stay alive, and I had grace/str/2xconsecrated sharpening stone. Proves just how shite grace/str are by comparison.

 

◊ Anias

Indeed.

Math is very easy, explaining math is quite difficult.