Too bad Thaen is a troll with no B/JoW =P

Maybe I calculated windfury wrong, but for fury warriors, I find WF Totem + SoE far superior. And that's not counting the rage WF generates. I guess WW and spamstring make a big difference, since BT and backstab are on the same cooldown.

Well, don't forget you also get double the AP from SoE than rogues do.

This is a damage meter from our 2nd patchwerk kill, an alliance guild.



A few details about the members on our dmeter:
The top mages are all combustion fire, with the exception of Ex who's frost/arcane.

The fury warrior is http://ctprofiles.net/937704

Stexx's profile: http://ctprofiles.net/70714

Stexx recieved PI during the fight as well.

Fully potted among all classes, the warlocks used flasks.

Noooo! My DPS has been defeated :(

The comparison is somewhat skewed by their battle being significantly shorter and him receiving PI though.

I came in fourth, and I am wearing 8/8 bloodfang! I use my gear well!

Nice, that is really impressive. I always assumed that Horde rogues had the advantage when it came to DPS because of Windfury, but it seems it's just the warriors.

Very impressive showing from the rogues there, good stuff.

I would think so. I'm suprised actually that I haven't seen many screens of closer to 675-700+ dps by orc fury warriors.

One thing to consider is the debuffs used, EJ I believe used curse of recklessness and had mostly melee at the top. To the guilds who have mages primarily at the top, did you focus on keeping up faerie fire/CoR?

We use CoR until we get to a point where mana is really hurting, to ensure that the MT doesn't die more or less. As for FF, it was hit and miss for us. We'd have it up sometimes, but other times not. Most druids have to just stay 100% focused on healing, especially since they have to sit around with 3s heals.

Ehm, the difference is that the mages in the top in other guilds are most likely FIRE specced, while yours are frost specced. The dps of frost is very consistent and mana efficient, whereas fire mages has the option to stay efficient with scorch and when needed we can crank it up a notch with fireballs + occasional combustions.

Besides, the randomness of ignite really messes the meters up. One mage clearly at the top with a few runner ups doesn't mean that mage did insane imba dps compare to the rest, he also most likely got lucky with ignites. Fire mages doesn't share the ignite, it's decided by luck who's rewarded with the actual damage. Sometimes I have been doing roughly twice the damage of other fire mages and sometimes I have been the last one of the same mages even though I played exactly the same.

The damage of fire mages should be considered a collective effort.

Wait, I'm confused. He enrages at 5% of his total HP (200k), no? At the 9048 DPS required to do 3.8 million damage in 7 minutes, you have to survive the enrage for 22 seconds. Since you did the fight with 0 deaths, the raid is sustainable during the enrage (22 seconds is a long time). So, how imperative is it that you DPS him down in time? It is possible to kill him even if you were a few seconds behind?

He has 2 enrages. A low % based, and a 7 minute time lapsed berserking enrage.

Our first kill was 10 seconds over time, he basically killed 1+ person per second for that time. Doing 150k hatefull strikes etc. It's not fun.

his 5% enrage is entirely possible to heal through. his 7 minute enrage (berserk) is not. we also had 0 deaths on our last kill.

if he is in the low % enrage, and 7 minutes hits, he enrages further, lol. Best kill him in 7 minutes, else things can go horribly wrong.

Okay, like Sartura. Are those numbers correct, by the way (4 million/7 minutes)? At first, I'd thought Gurgthock's original post implied that you needed 10,000 DPS exactly.

Yeah, those are the numbers. 10k DPS sustained will give you a 6m40s kill, so that's about what you want to aim for.

Yes Demi, Dannery is a human with cts/maladeth.

I am curious how many healers people use to kill patch normally. For us it has been quite a stretch in many cases. Though we typically run pretty light with 11-13 healers. I think we could do this with 13, but have been having to use 15 lately.

Even still our raid dps is quite a bit lower that what many guilds are showing. In our two kills he did his super enrage. And if you think Patch is a dps race, Thaddius is even more so. Our kill we were about 3 seconds from dieing (When thaddius enrages you die. now.), though we lost our highest dps (Muraevin) right at the start.

Actually, I would love to see how DMs look on Thaddius. Our hunters get killed on this fight and mages tend to fair quite a bit better than warlocks.

we haven't had a successful (read: non-lagged) go at thaddius, but in our 'practice' runs, i found positioning to get range after every polarity shift incredibly difficult, so i can see how hunter damage would drop incredibly.