Sustained DPS - Page 21

• Shalas · 07/20/06, 3:10 AM

30% white sounds very, very wrong. Our combat rogues do 50-60% white, generally. It's almost like they're not using SnD, but that'd mean some of them aren't using any finishers at all. Do they not have DW spec, or no +skill?

Kytrarewn · 07/20/06, 3:18 AM

Originally Posted by Shalas

30% white sounds very, very wrong. Our combat rogues do 50-60% white, generally. It's almost like they're not using SnD, but that'd mean some of them aren't using any finishers at all. Do they not have DW spec, or no +skill?

It's not 30% white, it's 30% white critrate. I'd agree with the "no finishers" comment for some of them, and Rogue number 4 was very obviously not using slice and dice.

Vis'kag rogue was doing his job, though.

• Shalas · 07/20/06, 3:42 AM

Ah, okay. That's much more resonable.

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Bottom Left one spent 40 combo points on Evis with 47 sinister strikes. He's either some stupid sword seal fate build or definatly didn't use much SnD. Mid-left dagger rogue hopefully either has terrible gear or spent a lot of time dead, as he did less white damage than the no-SnD rogue, but used no non-SnD finishers. Top right rogue looks mostly fine. His low crit rate suggests that he may have simply been somewhat unlucky, but his 900 average backstab definatly makes me think that armor debuff uptime may have been a bit lacking, as there's no way that I know of to make backstabs do that little damage through mere sucking.

Also, is there a reason some of them weren't using poisons?

Chaotik · 07/20/06, 3:45 AM

DM from our first patchwerk kill :P

First is a rogue with DS+ pugio combat daggers

Then me with misplaced arm + sand polished hammer

Combat dagger rogue with harbringer

fury warrior with ibilis + maladath

GM rogue full DD swords

fight duration (6 mins 7 seconds)

We didn't have FF or CoR up for this run .

chalon · 07/20/06, 3:50 AM

Wow...unless I'm reading it wrong, the top right rogue had an average backstab of 909, and the top left one almost 1k?

For comparison, my average backstab with no raid buffs whatsoever is 1213, assuming the mob is fully sundered more or less. With raid buffs it's 1511. 900 is incredibly low...are they running with like 700 unbuffed AP and not getting the full raid buffs they should be getting for AP?

Tyrius · 07/20/06, 7:25 AM

Just wanted to throw up another Patchwerk damage meter shot. There aren't enough with a warrior on top.

http://imagelink.org/temp/273

Grimmlokk · 07/20/06, 7:55 AM

Seeing those 4 blessings up makes me so jealous of Alliance=P

Rand · 07/20/06, 2:10 PM

So is aggro an issue on this fight? I'm seeing fury warriors like myself very high on dmg meters, so I'm assuming using HS between cooldowns to dump rage is not an issue? I was under the impression you could not pull aggro on this fight until I watched that fusion mage video. I'm guessing it just gives a pretty significant aggro buffer to whoever aggros first, instead of the previously assumed notion that he simply stays on the MT (and 2-3 OT's) until they die (gg wowwiki).

chalon · 07/20/06, 2:12 PM

It certainly is possible to pull aggro over the person who initially pulls...however, given how much rage the MT gets throughout the fight, in most cases that won't happen.

Pixen · 07/20/06, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by Gauss

Originally Posted by oldmandennis

Originally Posted by Gauss

The warriors usually have some sort of auxiliary role such as nightfall proc bitch

I've been kindof curious since they changed the weapon this patch - what's the proc rate?

High enough that we have a warrior whose job is to make this weapon proc :p

Apologies for the OT post, but I had read somewhere that nightfall only procs off white damage; is this accurate? If not, is it worth crafting one to use if I'm generally the top damage dealing warrior (if not #1 overall) in my guild, or would it be stupid to sacrifice that kind of output for the proc?

probiscus · 07/20/06, 2:46 PM

Originally Posted by Pixen

If not, is it worth crafting one to use if I'm generally the top damage dealing warrior (if not #1 overall) in my guild, or would it be stupid to sacrifice that kind of output for the proc?

My guild is in the same predicament. We have a warrior who obtained all the mats on his own, we just need someone to craft nightfall. ATM we're *very* short on warriors - to the point where we're back in BWL equipping them in wrath (we had some of our best tanks/dps warrs leave) - and one of the warriors wants to craft nightfall so he can be proc bitch. I'm trying to convince them that if we're going to make it, it should probably go to our judgement paladin given our particular warrior situation and our cornucopia of Ashkandhis.

Viluliina · 07/20/06, 2:48 PM

Heh, i tried some to the max buffing (didnt go the whole way), but had buffs like Rallying Cry, Songflower, BoMight + usuals and ended up with 875dps over the ~2min period that try lasted (until someone made a mistake, and boom OT byebye :). This was without Faerie fire or CoR, with warrior, shaman & hunter in my party. Sigh, want to try next week again and see if i can get a kill try with those buffs (and get some more too i think) and with FF & CoR, should be able to do 1k+ DPS easy.

Well anyway ~2.3k ap 43% crit & 21 hit was fun :]

♦ Praetorian · 07/20/06, 2:50 PM

You had Blessing of Might and a shaman in your party...?
:ph34r:

Pixen · 07/20/06, 2:50 PM

Originally Posted by probiscus

Originally Posted by Pixen

If not, is it worth crafting one to use if I'm generally the top damage dealing warrior (if not #1 overall) in my guild, or would it be stupid to sacrifice that kind of output for the proc?

My guild is in the same predicament. We have a warrior who obtained all the mats on his own, we just need someone to craft nightfall. ATM we're *very* short on warriors - to the point where we're back in BWL equipping them in wrath (we had some of our best tanks/dps warrs leave) - and one of the warriors wants to craft nightfall so he can be proc bitch. I'm trying to convince them that if we're going to make it, it should probably go to our judgement paladin given our particular warrior situation and our cornucopia of Ashkandhis.

Well, the mathcrafting I came up with back when I was really pushing this weapon came up with

Originally Posted by Pixen

A MS warrior with this weapon would get 58.28 chances to proc per minute (17.14 normal swings at 3.50 speed, 40 instant attacks if instants are spammed every 1.5s cooldown, 1.14 attacks from HoJ procs)

A paladin with this weapon, assuming SotC was kept up constantly (assuming the most proc chance situation) would get 24.48 chances to proc per minute. (24 normal swings, 0.48 attacks from HoJ procs)

A fury warrior with flurry up all the time would get 63.55 chances to proc per minute (22.30 normal swings at 2.70 speed, 40 instant attacks spammed every 1.5s cooldown, 1.25 attacks from HoJ procs).

At a 5% proc rate lasting for 5 seconds, a paladin on average would have the proc up for 6.1 seconds in a given minute, or 10% of the time. A MS warrior could have it up for 14.6 seconds in a given minute, or 24% of the time. A fury warrior could have it up for 15.9 seconds in a given minute, or 27% of the time.

But if it can only proc on white attacks, obviously most of that goes out the window.

probiscus · 07/20/06, 2:59 PM

Was wrong, delete pls :)

Viluliina · 07/20/06, 3:05 PM

Originally Posted by Praetorian

You had Blessing of Might and a shaman in your party...?
:ph34r:

Yes I did, and no, the Blessings stay after MC, just like any other buffs :]

Kerruul · 07/20/06, 3:34 PM

Originally Posted by Viluliina

Yes I did, and no, the Blessings stay after MC, just like any other buffs :]

I must say, that's pretty clever. Just need to find a friendly Alliance priest and paladin (or engineer-paladin) to sit outside the instance and buff people before zoning in... I wonder what Blizz thinks of that idea?

Gwaihir · 07/20/06, 3:51 PM

Originally Posted by Kerruul

Originally Posted by Viluliina

Yes I did, and no, the Blessings stay after MC, just like any other buffs :]

I must say, that's pretty clever. Just need to find a friendly Alliance priest and paladin (or engineer-paladin) to sit outside the instance and buff people before zoning in... I wonder what Blizz thinks of that idea?

Probably much the same as they think of the UBRS fire buff.

Zerix · 07/20/06, 3:57 PM

Originally Posted by Viluliina

Heh, i tried some to the max buffing (didnt go the whole way), but had buffs like Rallying Cry, Songflower, BoMight + usuals and ended up with 875dps over the ~2min period that try lasted (until someone made a mistake, and boom OT byebye :). This was without Faerie fire or CoR, with warrior, shaman & hunter in my party. Sigh, want to try next week again and see if i can get a kill try with those buffs (and get some more too i think) and with FF & CoR, should be able to do 1k+ DPS easy.

Well anyway ~2.3k ap 43% crit & 21 hit was fun :]

You can vanish on Patchwerk if you didn't know already. His combat pulses are only ~25 yards, so as long as you run to the other end of the room and vanish he wont come after you. Saved me a lot of money in the Patchwerk learning process ;).

Nite_Moogle · 07/20/06, 4:00 PM

Originally Posted by Viluliina

Originally Posted by Praetorian

You had Blessing of Might and a shaman in your party...?
:ph34r:

Yes I did, and no, the Blessings stay after MC, just like any other buffs :]

Clearly, we have stumbled upon the real reason that Blizzard wants to nerf Windfury.

Viluliina · 07/20/06, 4:08 PM

Originally Posted by Zerix

You can vanish on Patchwerk if you didn't know already. His combat pulses are only ~25 yards, so as long as you run to the other end of the room and vanish he wont come after you. Saved me a lot of money in the Patchwerk learning process ;).

Yea, i know that, all of our rogues did that always (if they survived the first extra HS's), doesnt really help when i get instant HS for 18k one sec after one OT went down tho :| (i survived 1 wipe with those buffs on :)

newladin · 07/20/06, 5:41 PM

Originally Posted by Viluliina

Originally Posted by Praetorian

You had Blessing of Might and a shaman in your party...?
:ph34r:

Yes I did, and no, the Blessings stay after MC, just like any other buffs :]

you can get to patchwork and kill him in 5 mins?

Razzberry · 07/20/06, 5:51 PM

Originally Posted by newladin

you can get to patchwork and kill him in 5 mins?

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that they were Greater Blessings. Just a hunch.

• frmorrison · 07/20/06, 5:56 PM

Originally Posted by Viluliina

(i survived 1 wipe with those buffs on :)

Did you find a friendly pally/priest that would cast blessings on you? If you found one, why not find another ;)?

That is cool that you can run out of the combat pulse, especially when you had all those buffs.

newladin · 07/20/06, 5:59 PM

Originally Posted by Razzberry

Originally Posted by newladin

you can get to patchwork and kill him in 5 mins?

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that they were Greater Blessings. Just a hunch.

Greater blessing can only stay on you if you are in that paladin's group, that why i asked that queston. Once you leave the paladin's party who gave you that greater blessing, that blessing drops from you.