Sustained DPS - Page 41

Dawme · 09/06/06, 6:33 AM

Originally Posted by Lactose

Originally Posted by Libra

I thought you had a rhok, with an ouro gun its easy to do that much dps, nevermind.

My reply was directed at Dawme, which had hunters at around 400 DPS, possibly with pet included (I don't know this). For a guild killing Patchwerk, I would think most guilds aren't as unlucky as we are when it comes to ranged weapon drops, having atleast 1-2 with something better than Rhok'delar.
My point was only that if I can do 525+ DPS with pet using Rhok'delar, it's pretty obvious they can improve in some way.

Well hunters in my guild considered Rhok better than bwl xbow and huhuran stinger, and we never had the chance to drop a larvae despite killing ouro each week since it has been added to his droptable. One of them respecced this week and got a kiss of the spider, we'll see next pw if it gives better results.

@sp00n: windfury is really overpowered for warriors indeed, but 500-550 dps is low even without wf, assuming they're fury spec.

mad-doc · 09/06/06, 8:36 AM

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2182/ascdpsqk3.jpg

crul/db
maex/pugio
tf/mala
harb/perd or pugio
pugio/dfb
perd/iblis

Boevis · 09/06/06, 9:05 AM

Wait, what ... Perd/Iblis? I mean, Iblis is a good OH, but wouldn't you be better off with Perd/Pugio or CTS/Iblis so both your weapons benefit from the specialization talent?

Tiiki · 09/06/06, 9:22 AM

Originally Posted by Boevis

Wait, what ... Perd/Iblis? I mean, Iblis is a good OH, but wouldn't you be better off with Perd/Pugio or CTS/Iblis so both your weapons benefit from the specialization talent?

They might not be Combat spec?

• sp00n · 09/06/06, 9:23 AM

This is why he's only 6th. ;)

mad-doc · 09/06/06, 10:03 AM

dont know why he is using a sword off, but afaik its only for sword spec important to have an sword oh because it procs mh swings for all other specs the 5% crit get applied on both hands ?
correct me if i am wrong.

all rogues are combat spec, minora has gear/weapon disadvantage so that why he's last.
mages are all frost with the exception of altayna

Darkmantle · 09/06/06, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Boevis

Wait, what ... Perd/Iblis? I mean, Iblis is a good OH, but wouldn't you be better off with Perd/Pugio or CTS/Iblis so both your weapons benefit from the specialization talent?

I wish to live in your world where everyone can get their optimal weapon combinations >_> 1 aqr 3 cts 1 armament so far.

Boevis · 09/06/06, 10:17 AM

Our weapon drops are far from optimal, more along the lines of 'months behind' Our MT just hit 6/9 Dread, and I think we have someone using Pugio/Distracting Dagger. Just odd to see someone using a non-combat spec with those weapons, and actually beating every mage. Many rogues and warriors would /wrist knowing that a SF Daggers is using Iblis.

Sess · 09/06/06, 10:20 AM

1 CTS so far, but 5 AQR, 6 Maldath and 5 Arnamemts. I concur.

Emth · 09/06/06, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by sp00n

Finally I can post in this thread as well. :D

http://www.gilde-fortune.de/images/m...chwerkdps1.jpg

Standard alliance raid buffs + TSA, Juju & Firewater. Maexxna + Pugio (equipment).
Had run out of mongoose and squids for that try (which was actually our last one, as most times when we have a first kill *cough*).

What I'm wondering about is why are our warriors so low. I've seen so many monstrous warrior DPS in this thread and they aren't that bad equipped. Or is windfury really that overpowered? ;)
Or maybe they are crappy players and I have to beat them over and tell them l2p.

Anyway, it was a surprisingly easy kill. After 2 hours of wiping and learning (and burning pots) we managed to down him. Expected it to be harder, but I guess the help in this forum made a big difference in learning the fight. Just wanted to thank you. :)

Got profiles on them? Hard for anyone to say anything without seeing how they compare gear wise. And yes horde warriors have a couple of advantages over alliance when comparing to rogues. 1. Alliance rogues can use poisons on both hands losing out on less DPS than a warrior with no windfury (which yes is imba for warriors), BoM has the same effectiveness for rogues and warriors where as warriors get double the benefit from SoE totem.

Having said that theres been meters posted of alliance warriors doing just as well as horde ones.

Samurai · 09/06/06, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Emth

Originally Posted by sp00n

Finally I can post in this thread as well. :D

http://www.gilde-fortune.de/images/m...chwerkdps1.jpg

Standard alliance raid buffs + TSA, Juju & Firewater. Maexxna + Pugio (equipment).
Had run out of mongoose and squids for that try (which was actually our last one, as most times when we have a first kill *cough*).

What I'm wondering about is why are our warriors so low. I've seen so many monstrous warrior DPS in this thread and they aren't that bad equipped. Or is windfury really that overpowered? ;)
Or maybe they are crappy players and I have to beat them over and tell them l2p.

Anyway, it was a surprisingly easy kill. After 2 hours of wiping and learning (and burning pots) we managed to down him. Expected it to be harder, but I guess the help in this forum made a big difference in learning the fight. Just wanted to thank you. :)

Got profiles on them? Hard for anyone to say anything without seeing how they compare gear wise. And yes horde warriors have a couple of advantages over alliance when comparing to rogues. 1. Alliance rogues can use poisons on both hands losing out on less DPS than a warrior with no windfury (which yes is imba for warriors), BoM has the same effectiveness for rogues and warriors where as warriors get double the benefit from SoE totem.

Having said that theres been meters posted of alliance warriors doing just as well as horde ones.

According to chalon's spreadsheet BoK + BoM + MH Poison > SoE + WF

Gedriis · 09/06/06, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sess

1 CTS so far, but 5 AQR, 6 Maldath and 5 Arnamemts. I concur.

1 AQR, 0 CTS, 4 Maladath (three went to tanks), and probably 15 Armaments (At least half of which are now shields). Nef on farm for ~ 9 months, C'thun on farm for ~ 1.

End result? I'm the only sword rogue left in the guild. Oh ya, our tanks want Iblis, too.

thingol · 09/06/06, 1:25 PM

IF your tanks want a fast high damage sword try to convince them how nice the one from grand widow is

Copernicus · 09/06/06, 3:45 PM

Wierd thing is that I know I didn't start DPS until a few tanks were hit by Hateful Strike, but I'm shown as being engaged in the fight for longer than them in recap.

Turigni · 09/06/06, 3:49 PM

Originally Posted by sp00n

Finally I can post in this thread as well. :D

http://www.gilde-fortune.de/images/m...chwerkdps1.jpg

Standard alliance raid buffs + TSA, Juju & Firewater. Maexxna + Pugio (equipment).
Had run out of mongoose and squids for that try (which was actually our last one, as most times when we have a first kill *cough*).

What I'm wondering about is why are our warriors so low. I've seen so many monstrous warrior DPS in this thread and they aren't that bad equipped. Or is windfury really that overpowered? ;)
Or maybe they are crappy players and I have to beat them over and tell them l2p.

If your warriors are not human and are either using maces (ie MSA) or not using Edgemasters with their axe, sword, dagger, this hurts a lot because of all the glancing blows.

I would say its a safe assumption that the warriors shown in this thread at the top or very near the top of the DM's (#1, 2, or 3 spots) have at least +5 skill with their mainhand, or severely outgear their guildmates, which is unlikely in a Patchwerk killing guild.

On our last Patchwerk kill, I was a bit higher then your warriors, but due to no +skill (dual MSA's as a dwarf) I was lagging behind most of the rogues and our top fire mages.

Chaotik · 09/06/06, 4:47 PM

our raid dps has went up alot from when we first killed patchwerk , this kill was 5:36 seconds

no outside buffs btw

Pontiac · 09/06/06, 4:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dawme

Well hunters in my guild considered Rhok better than bwl xbow and huhuran stinger...

Are you sure that's what they think? Rhok better than Huhu's stinger, maybe, but there's no way Rhok is even remotely close to Ashre'thul in dps output.

Chaotik · 09/06/06, 5:10 PM

Originally Posted by Boevis

Our weapon drops are far from optimal, more along the lines of 'months behind' Our MT just hit 6/9 Dread, and I think we have someone using Pugio/Distracting Dagger. Just odd to see someone using a non-combat spec with those weapons, and actually beating every mage. Many rogues and warriors would /wrist knowing that a SF Daggers is using Iblis.

How did your MT hit 6/9 with out killing thaddius yet?

Boevis · 09/06/06, 5:25 PM

Because i can't count. Shut up Zeotik, you suck ;p

altairian · 09/06/06, 5:25 PM

Originally Posted by Gedriis

End result? I'm the only sword rogue left in the guild. Oh ya, our tanks want Iblis, too.

....why? Widow's Remorse is flat out better for tanking. There's really no match for 17 stamina and 100 armor in your main hand, and lets not forget it's also the same speed as Iblis so the speed argument goes out the window. The only argument in favor of Iblis for tanking would be the 1% crit, and having tanked as a fury/prot warrior I can tell you that flurry is not that important ;)

Gedriis · 09/06/06, 7:37 PM

Originally Posted by altairian

Originally Posted by Gedriis

End result? I'm the only sword rogue left in the guild. Oh ya, our tanks want Iblis, too.

....why? Widow's Remorse is flat out better for tanking. There's really no match for 17 stamina and 100 armor in your main hand, and lets not forget it's also the same speed as Iblis so the speed argument goes out the window. The only argument in favor of Iblis for tanking would be the 1% crit, and having tanked as a fury/prot warrior I can tell you that flurry is not that important ;)

Believe me, I'm not the one you need to convince. We were lucky, and had Widow's Remorse drop last weekend, so there's at least one tank in the guild I don't have to worry about.

As it stands, I'm pushing about 660 dps on patchwerk without TSA or Consecrated stones. After 1 night of attempts, we saw 36% despite a chronic shortage of healers and shaman. I'm hoping Iblis would push me up near the 700 mark. I just have to convince a few people that's the way to go.

Monger · 09/07/06, 3:13 PM

Hemo Rogue dps 626 :)

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=455722

I am specced 21/0/30 and did pretty well on patchwerk last night.
buffs included: Mow, battleshout, strength of earth totem, blessed sunfruit(+10 strength), windfury totem.

Namo · 09/07/06, 4:02 PM

Warrior: Crul'Shorukh / Harbinger of Doom [17/34/0]
Warrior: Hatchet of Sundered Bone / Crul'Shorukh [Orc, 0/37/14]
Rogue: Maexxna's Fang / Harbinger of Doom [15/31/5]
Warrior: Blessed Qiraji War Axe / Sickle of Unyielding [Orc, 17/34/0]
Rogue: Ancient Qiraji Ripper / Maladath [18/33/0]

I'm the dude on top. I have a pair of level 44 epic gloves, and my unbuffed HP is ~4000. Go Blizzard itemization!

discofiend · 09/07/06, 5:21 PM

I'm considering doing patchwerk tonight with absolutely no buffs, clicking off any that get refreshed (BS and if a battle chicken comes up, that too). Should be interesting to see how closely the % diff between that and my norm match the expected % diff based on the spreadsheet calcs.

christide · 09/07/06, 5:57 PM

Originally Posted by discofiend

I'm considering doing patchwerk tonight with absolutely no buffs, clicking off any that get refreshed (BS and if a battle chicken comes up, that too). Should be interesting to see how closely the % diff between that and my norm match the expected % diff based on the spreadsheet calcs.

Last time we did patchwerk, for whatever reason, CoR wasn't up, and the druid that was supposed to put up fairy fire was slacking.

The difference was huge; I went from 585 dps the previous kill to barely hitting 500 with the same buffs, and slightly more gear (cryptstalker handguards). All other hunters showed roughly the same difference, as I was top hunter in both kills.

This is probably a bigger difference than any of the individual buffs I receive (at least as a hunter.)