p.s. it was a joke, the person who posted that has a thunderfury

also Hellsoap has one too, just that neither he nor Moz was available

Yeah, I have that unchecked Kalman, it's still resetting every fight.

This is pretty much what we have going as well. We have one new undergeared app who's been dubbed 'scorch bitch'. His only job is to make the other mages look better basically!

Then the mod probably only accumulates time-in-combat on a per-fight basis. It'd actually probably not be that hard to hack the code to fix that; I might take a look if I get bored.

We need a new version of Damage Meters to subtract that extra damage from imp scorch and give it to that mage then. Then you can remove the extra CoE damage and give it to the warlock and on and on.

Oh yes.

If you're doing that, you need to give the salvation pally his due so the new pally recruits stop blathering about how much leet damage they can do, while letting salv fall off....Silly paladins.

Yes it is better than 8/8 NW, but is it really better than just cobbled together epics? Personally, I never thought sets were powerful enough that I ever needed to stay locked into one... the most I ever had was 4 piece netherwind, I have 3 piece enigma now and the most frostfire I plan on getting are 4 pieces. With the random shit I wear: http://ctprofiles.net/94193 I can get 16 spell hit by switching out the signet for a band of forced concentration and the frostfire bracers for arcane accuracy, and by picking up the right pieces of frostfire I won't even have to do that anymore. I just couldn't see picking up enigma circlet or legs because they felt too sidegrade-y.

What are Legs a sidegrade off of? I'm generally someone who goes the "mix and match" route for Mage gear, and I find most Enigma pieces a slot-for-slot upgrade. Only exceptions might be the head over Mish'undare, and the boots over Ringo's for Frost, but even that one's a bit sketchy.

Ignite rolling imo is still not understood very well in terms of how we change DPS strategy.

Instead of all the mages just going all out sustained gear with fireball spam, it would be somewhat interesting to see how effective the strategy of maxing burst dmg to get a big initial stack (say 4-4.5k ignite ticks), and just have every mage scorch spam to maintain the stack. Not too many mages I know have the gear for this yet, since you'd really need 4-5 mages with 25% crit or more (and still have extremely high +dmg to get a good initial stack) for this to be feasible.

But if you figure that each mage gets 2 chances to refesh the stack (2.25 would be more accurate really), his chances of critting at least one are: 1-(.75^2) ~ = .4375, with 5 mages we get, 1-(.5625^5) ~ = .9437
Using 2.25 as our guide, we get .9607. Which gives us an average of 12 ignite periods for the first scenario, and 17 for the second.

As crit scales, the length of these periods extends greatly, with 5 30% crit mages (not hard with 2/2 incin with naxx gear really), under the 2.25 assumption, we see 38 ignite periods (or 76 "ticks").

When you think about how a 4k ignite tick is basically 2k dps spread among the 5 mages, its 400 extra dps per mage in the ignite, on top of the scorch dps (500ish). Tossing in fireblasts to up the baseline dps of each mage and using combustion to help maintain stacks also would up theorycraft damage.

This is all silly theorycraft rambling really, and might mean extremely little since debuff priority seems to be based mostly on debuff duration and since ignite lasts only 4 seconds, its extremely easy for it to get bumped off.

It would be really nice to have a mod that keeps track of the current ignite, shows who owns it and refeshes a little 4 second bar till expiration that updates each time a mage crits and refreshes the stack.

As for the philosophical question of rogue vs mage single target damage, I have to agree with the sentiment that its not a fair comparison since for a mage to get these sort of dmg outputs, he's dumping nearly a 100g in consumables. I've always felt mages specc'd for it should be comparable to rogues in DPS except in fights where there are aggro or blue bar concerns.

I tried my best to make this work with 3 mages who have 20-25% crit with scorch, but it inevitably stops abruptly. I think there is still some bug in ignite which causes it not to "roll" on crits, because oftentimes I will crit many scorches in a row while soloing and the ignite will simply stop randomly. Once that bug gets fixed though (and I bet by then mages will have 30% crit with scorch easily) we could see some interesting dps strategies among mages.

Also, to the post above radikals, in terms of damage enigma leggings by themselves are a sidegrade or very weak upgrade to netherwind, not to mention the other leggings that are just flat out better for damage.

He may be referring to leggings of the black blizzard or maybe festering swarm (not sure how fire mages value crit to +dmg). It doesn't seem like you stand to gain or lose a lot wether you go with 5/5 enigma or mixed gear.

I just found and started using SWStats recently. I like it over Damage meters because I can filter the data to see who people are healing, and who people are being healed by. If you aren't dealing with recruiting then that isn't a concern, but if you're trying to evaluate a new healer in a 40 man - I've found it a nice way to drill down to exactly what they're doing.

On the flip side - damage meters is WAY more intuitive to use - the UI for SWstats is prettier, but the added functionality comes at a loss of ease of use.

Combustion is about the only thing that makes 17/31/3 bearable (I hate getting destroyed in pvp with the spec though). It's very good for creating the initial 4k ignite stack.

:kaubel:

If you're not going to get the 5 piece bonus just go throw on a set of random high +damage pieces.

Combustion is unreliable but fun. Nothing is more funnier than hit combustion kill one guy, sit down to drink and laugh your ass off when -insert class here- comes, tries to do something, gets sheeped and gets 2 shotted by 2.7k fireball and 1.4k fireblast <3

can already do that with pom tho hehe
on a 3mins cooldown only as well... doing a pyro pom pyro, while silly, looks awsome... hard to give up ;)

with my pvp alt up to 60, going the gimp way with no ICS no pom no iceblock no combustion but awsome mana regen seems like the only way to have mana for patchwerk as horde mage to top the chart (to make up for my undergeared guildmates heh)

(i hope all you guys leaving to malganis will make arthas playable again at least... silly how bad alliance is now... our group of alts + mains(about 10 tg total) rolled AV all weekend long, with a record of a 14mins victory heh... )

Gurg didn't actually take the picture of the DPS meter - I did. Right after Patchwerk dropped I immediately paused DM parsing to prevent it from snap resetting in case someone nearby decided to gib a rat.

The fact the highest warlock is 15th makes me cry:<

That or your warlocks fail but i'd assume otherwise.

Ok, ignorant warrior here. Can someone explain rolling ignites to me? Do I understand it correctly, all ignites stack with each other, but you have to keep it up with more crits because the older ones are fading off?

Why can't they do this with Deep Wounds?

Fire mage one: crits mob, procs Ignite
Fire mage two: crits mob, Ignite stacks to (2)
Fire mage three: crits mob, Ignite stacks to (3) - all this damage is credited to mage one.

And nobody has any idea why they don't do it with deep wounds. It would probably make deep wounds a bit too good because melee critrate is much higher than spell critrate.

The way Ignite works is that if you get a crit with a fire spell, it will put a DoT on your target that lasts 4 seconds and does an extra 40% damage (two ticks of 20%, one after 2 seconds and one after 4 seconds). Now, if you or another mage get a fire crit on the same target before the 4 seconds of your previous ignite are gone, then not only will the timer on the initial ignite be reset, but the ignite damage from this new ignite will be added to it. This will mean ignite has stacked twice, and it's called rolling the ignite.

It can stack up to a maximum of 5, and all damage from rolling ignites is attributed to the person who first put ignite up there.

If I'm wrong on any points someone should feel free to correct me. I've been frost 99% of the time playing my mage, but I think I've got it down.

So, if it only stacks to 5 times, how would you get 2k/tick ignites with just a bunhc of mages spamming scorch?

Also, wouldn't reseting a timer be a bad thing? That's what kills DW for warriors.