Sustained DPS - Page 51

spronk · 11/20/06, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Gumibear

I've done 526 DPS with no flask, and with my Imp out as a DS/Ruin spec (loses 15% shadow damage with an imp out, if you're not familiar). Your kills are significantly shorter now, which helps out your Warlock's DPS quite a bit. As your kill times become faster, your Warlocks are less likely to run dry, so they're more likely to be maintaining chain casting for the full duration. I've only gone below 500 DPS when I ran completely OOM and less than 100 health before Patchwerk died, with mana potions and healthstones still cooling down. For comparison, our highest DPS only gets a bit above 650 DPS.

It sounds to me like you're all geared enough to overcome the Warlock's biggest constraint on Patchwerk: self-sustainability. As you decrease sustainability requirements on an encounter, a Warlock's DPS should go up. Also your Warlocks may have respecced. For whatever reason I've found Warlocks are very likely to have suboptimal raiding specs since few people expect anything of them beyond stones and curses. If you can get them into SM/Ruin or DS/Ruin, with a good understanding of Warlock casting cycles, they can at least do 500 DPS reliably.

781 DPS sound ridiculous but I think there's a couple examples in this thread of people going higher.

The big problem though is you want good DPS when you start killing patchwerk, once he's on farm it becomes less of an issue. Just curious, but whats your cycle with DS/Ruin? I assume its CoA, sbolt spam, when your at -4k mana lifetap + sleep/rejuv pot (bandage?), maybe HS, rinse and repeat? I think its realistic to assume for the first few kills no locks are going to get HoTs, which hurts lock DPS a lot. Once PW is on farm a druid can occasionally HoT the locks but imo thats not a fair comparison for first few PW kills.

Malan · 11/20/06, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Kdorf

9-11. Fire Mages

Your mages need to work on that ignite. O.o

ztn · 11/28/06, 3:29 AM

can anyone test "swarmguard trick" now? I spent 2 hours in attepts to trigger it - nothing... It's surely works 2 weeks ago, but what now? - may be i'am so unlucky or it's really fixed?

Boevis · 11/28/06, 3:35 AM

Not my guild, but impressive numbers, usually only seen on Loatheb.
http://video.decimation.eu/
1450 DPS on Patchwerk

◊ Nfariessence · 11/28/06, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Gumibear

Originally Posted by Hand

I was curious as to how much DPS other people's guilds have warlocks doing. For our first 10 kills all our warlocks were like below 400 dps, it was pretty pathetic and we just considered them useless. Recently though, one of our warlocks has started doing a shit ton of dps, and today on patchwerk he did 241k in a 5:08 kill. He was 2nd dps, sitting at 781 sustained dps over this period of time. He used all potions/flask etc available, but no outside buffs (no world buff, no dm buffs, etc etc).

I've done 526 DPS with no flask, and with my Imp out as a DS/Ruin spec (loses 15% shadow damage with an imp out, if you're not familiar). Your kills are significantly shorter now, which helps out your Warlock's DPS quite a bit. As your kill times become faster, your Warlocks are less likely to run dry, so they're more likely to be maintaining chain casting for the full duration.

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781 DPS sound ridiculous but I think there's a couple examples in this thread of people going higher.

Another factor in Patchwerk is that 2/9 Plagueheart bonus makes a big deal. Especially if it can be gotten at the same time as 5/5 Doomcaller bonus. I've self healed for as much as 4k on Patchwerk. I've also watched the debuffs and even thrown a Siphon or two up there and it keeps my DPS about the 600 range. But then again, I have a large supply of Major Rejuv pots and I don't mind using them if it means a 1 shot and we can clear 2 wings in one night.

◊ Praetorian · 11/28/06, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Boevis

Not my guild, but impressive numbers, usually only seen on Loatheb.
http://video.decimation.eu/
1450 DPS on Patchwerk

Not to get into the whole "how does HS work thing" again, but my favorite part of this whole thing is the following:

The fight on this occasion didn't go as planned; this is since somehow one of the off-tanks wasn't receiving hateful strikes. In conjunction with our first tank dying when Patchwerk reached 59% all the damage was now going to just one off-tank. This resulted in him dying at 38%. Because of this I decided the best option was to run out before a wipe occurred. However the "bugged" off-tank suddenly began to take Hateful Strikes again and stayed alive against the odds. Nevertheless I still waited before re-entering the fight to make sure I wouldn't lose the buffs I had spent so much time gathering for the encounter. After some reassurance I decided to move back in at 19% to help finish what I had started. With the killing blow in place I can't say it was the fight I hoped for. But there was enough amazing material I had from the recordings to make a stunning movie out of it. The result can be viewed on this web page!

Gee, I wonder why the OT stopped taking HS while a 1450 DPS fury warrior was in there....

Malan · 11/28/06, 11:37 AM

One of my guild DPS warriors noted that the guy could have done even higher DPS - apparently he's in battle stance and was basically just using heroic strike and execute. But 1450 DPS from white dmg and HS is pretty damned impressive.

I found this funny bit from their website-

To reach such a high level of DPS Lilos was heavily buffed with just about everything available. With such buffs it was risky proceeding to Naxxramas, but I made it alive thanks to help and support from guild members.

Yah... those plague bats are a bitch to run through on the way to Naxx.

◊ Repeek · 11/28/06, 11:43 AM

Not to derail the thread completely...but if you're gonna make such a high profile video like that, wouldn't you want the ENTIRE fight on film? and maybe be in zerker stance with battle shout up?

it just left me with a taste of "wow, now imagine if he actually knew how to play"

• Arawethion · 11/28/06, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Malan

Yah... those plague bats are a bitch to run through on the way to Naxx.

Our Loatheb-buffed raid ran into Borelgore on the way to Northpass last night. We took screenshots.

Malan · 11/28/06, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Repeek

Not to derail the thread completely...but if you're gonna make such a high profile video like that, wouldn't you want the ENTIRE fight on film? and maybe be in zerker stance with battle shout up?

If you check their site they have the full fight video available as well. The problem was, as Gurg posted above, that the fury warrior bumped off OT3 from the threat list, so he ran out during the fight, thinking they were wiping, in order to try to preserve his world buffs for another attempt. Then they recovered though, so he ran back in and finished DPSing. Even with that gap he still had 1400 DPS for the fight, so they just cropped out all the footage where he ran out and published it.

• Arawethion · 11/28/06, 11:51 AM

How much do people buff for Patchwerk these days, usually?

Sticks · 11/28/06, 12:28 PM

For offtanks, we usually have titans+stoneshields+defence elixirs+chops, mt is the same minus the flask. Dps generally don't do anything (as per usual, the bunch of bums :P) while healers might have a mageblood plus a couple of combat mana pots.

Mana · 11/28/06, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by ztn

can anyone test "swarmguard trick" now? I spent 2 hours in attepts to trigger it - nothing... It's surely works 2 weeks ago, but what now? - may be i'am so unlucky or it's really fixed?

I tried to do it again recently and had no luck, maybe it was fixed? Spent a good 30 min trying to get it.

Masq · 11/28/06, 12:38 PM

Just watched that Decimator video, had a few comments and questions.

First, is there not a point where staying in Battle Stance for overpower will outweigh the berserker stance crit?
Also, why is the video listed as 1550DPS when in the SWStats at the end of the video only shows 1235.

Does anyone know what the buff is on the second row, far left? After they cut from 78% -> 19%. Its looks like a blue shield

Brilliance · 11/28/06, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

How much do people buff for Patchwerk these days, usually?

Tanks get a flask // stonesheilds // random other tank pots I dont pay attention to.

Everyone else buffs themselves with w/e they feel like using, I personally pop a mongoose // gaints.

Regis · 11/28/06, 12:43 PM

Seems like the right topic to put it in. Will DPS be high enough after the pre-expansion patch to get through encounters like Thaddius and Loatheb?

◊ castille · 11/28/06, 12:44 PM

From all accounts, DPS should be higher across the board, no?

• Arawethion · 11/28/06, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Brilliance

I personally pop a mongoose // gaints.

Whoa, that took a second to comprehend. You know have no idea how many times I've wished more of our core officers had been tanks.

Malan · 11/28/06, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

Originally Posted by Brilliance

I personally pop a mongoose // gaints.

Whoa, that took a second to comprehend. You know have no idea how many times I've wished more of our core officers had been tanks.

Careful what you wish for - the drama this causes is pretty high.

• Arawethion · 11/28/06, 1:29 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Careful what you wish for - the drama this causes is pretty high.

I didn't say rerolling--we were never desperate enough for someone to make the jump. But during the times when we were scrambling for tanks just to continue, the small group of people who have been in the guild for well over a year are always thinking, "it would be nice if a few of us had happened to be the Warriors."

Malan · 11/28/06, 1:59 PM

No I was referring to the drama of having too many warriors as officers ;)

Gumibear · 11/28/06, 6:08 PM

Originally Posted by spronk

Originally Posted by Gumibear

I've done 526 DPS with no flask, and with my Imp out as a DS/Ruin spec (loses 15% shadow damage with an imp out, if you're not familiar). Your kills are significantly shorter now, which helps out your Warlock's DPS quite a bit. As your kill times become faster, your Warlocks are less likely to run dry, so they're more likely to be maintaining chain casting for the full duration. I've only gone below 500 DPS when I ran completely OOM and less than 100 health before Patchwerk died, with mana potions and healthstones still cooling down. For comparison, our highest DPS only gets a bit above 650 DPS.

It sounds to me like you're all geared enough to overcome the Warlock's biggest constraint on Patchwerk: self-sustainability. As you decrease sustainability requirements on an encounter, a Warlock's DPS should go up. Also your Warlocks may have respecced. For whatever reason I've found Warlocks are very likely to have suboptimal raiding specs since few people expect anything of them beyond stones and curses. If you can get them into SM/Ruin or DS/Ruin, with a good understanding of Warlock casting cycles, they can at least do 500 DPS reliably.

781 DPS sound ridiculous but I think there's a couple examples in this thread of people going higher.

The big problem though is you want good DPS when you start killing patchwerk, once he's on farm it becomes less of an issue. Just curious, but whats your cycle with DS/Ruin? I assume its CoA, sbolt spam, when your at -4k mana lifetap + sleep/rejuv pot (bandage?), maybe HS, rinse and repeat? I think its realistic to assume for the first few kills no locks are going to get HoTs, which hurts lock DPS a lot. Once PW is on farm a druid can occasionally HoT the locks but imo thats not a fair comparison for first few PW kills.

Before a Patchwerk fight, I make 1440 and 960 Healthstones for myself, and trade a 1440 to a Warlock without Improved Healthstone for a 1200. The 960 is unnecessary lately, but there's time to use it in a fight that gets close to the 7 minute enrage.

I don't ever get to use CoA on Patchwerk. I don't know what it is about CoA, but when the fireball dots start piling up, it's the first thing to drop off. I cast Corruption, Immolate, then Shadowbolt until one of those needs to be refreshed. I try to make sure I'm casting Immolate with 1 to 1.5 seconds left on my NECB timer. When I'm down about 1300 mana, I'll Life Tap once since that's about what mine returns with Elixir of Shadow Power, Greater Arcane Elixir, and Brilliant Wizard Oil. When I'm back down about 2k mana, I'll pop a Major Mana Potion for maximum effect. I will not Life Tap again until OOM. Once OOM, I'll Life Tap to full mana and pop my 1440 stone. I just repeat this process with more Mana Potions and Healthstones whenever they become available.

I never stop and bandage or use dreamless sleep potions, and I minimize my Life Tapping to large bursts to get to full mana. The highest Troll's Blood potion and Mageblood are very useful. Anything that will return health/mana without more than a global cooldown is the way to go. Also, I've been healed on every Patchwerk but our first 2 attempts. On the first I was using the DS Voidwalker buff, and I ended the fight at about 70% HP and 50% mana. DS Voidwalker is way too much healing and forces Life Tapping to effectively use. Our first kill, when I was flasked, I only did about 530 DPS compared to 526 I did later the second time I had to use an Imp. On the second kill, I used DS Succubus, and instead of Major Mana Potions, I adjusted for Major Rejuvenation Potions. I got just short of 600 DPS that time, which is posted somewhere in this massive thread.

I'd recommend DS Felhunter if sustainability is an issue with DS Succubus. But, if I get 2 Renews/Rejuvs over the course of the fight, I'll last the entire time.

I don't think that's anything very profound or secret that I just described. I wear 5/5 Doomcaller with 2/9 Plagueheart for Patchwerk, and the two set bonuses combined drastically increase a Warlock's lasting power. Even when I get more Plagueheart I want, I'm keeping that Doomcaller set in my bags because the 5 piece is just that good sometimes.

ztn · 12/07/06, 8:00 AM

up!!! - let's see dps after 2.0...

Maddness · 12/07/06, 10:54 AM

WTB 2.0 Compatible ReCap !

Nothing is quite so accurate at measuring DPS :(

discofiend · 12/07/06, 11:19 AM

maexenna dmg report:
http:/www.discofiend.com/imgs/dps.jpg

Mage
Mage
Mutilate Rogue
Combat Potency Rogue
Mutilate Rogue
Mage
Fury Warr
Swords Rogue
Combat Pot Rogue
Mutilate Rogue

server crashed before we could do patchwerk, qq.