Sustained DPS - Page 52

Nightarcher · 12/07/06, 11:41 AM

I got a rogue alt which I specced Mutilate. Unfortunatly I can't raid in a decent guild with it so I can't really test it. But I am very interested to see how full PvE mutilate will do. If anyone kind enough to spec to not so imba pvp Mutilate spec :) And post his damage results I'll be gratefull

Sticks · 12/07/06, 12:33 PM

Forgot to take a screenshot but I managed to get 170k on Loatheb with firewater, dumplings and mongoose, 5th spore group and no world buffs as a 5/0/46 spec prot warrior. This is with decent but not top of the line BWL/AQ dps, tf/iblis and still using dreadnaught bp and shoulders. So while it isn't exactly an optimal dps spec, it actualy performs quite decently. Definately well enough to no longer need to sit out every time you aren't tanking if you are full prot.

TL-Seria · 12/07/06, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

No I was referring to the drama of having too many warriors as officers ;)

four is fine really, One spot with one vice to represent the tanks, 1+1 for dps warriors.

Maddness · 12/07/06, 9:55 PM

Originally Posted by Nightarcher

I got a rogue alt which I specced Mutilate. Unfortunatly I can't raid in a decent guild with it so I can't really test it. But I am very interested to see how full PvE mutilate will do. If anyone kind enough to spec to not so imba pvp Mutilate spec :) And post his damage results I'll be gratefull

We did Patchwerk the other night, and whilst I don't have a working ReCap to give a true idea of DPS, the DM is as follows;

Keep in mind that Rogue #2 had the Deadly Poison tick, so that's worth ~17,000 Damage for our average Patchwerk kills.

#1 - AQR / Iblis PvE Sword (11/40/0)
#2 - Maexxna / Pugio (Mutilate)
#3 - Dual GM PvE Sword

I'm not sure of everyone's specs anymore, but the #12 Mage, Frostx is at least 41 Arcane, the exact spec I don't know. The hunters other than Denshaotoko weren't getting their damage reported accurately, though overall it doesn't 'appear' that Hunter DPS has changed much. Warlock DPS looks like it got a decent boost from the top Warlock, though overall I can't say much from the other 2 performance.

Chaotik · 12/07/06, 10:59 PM

Loatheb tonight for us , using no world buffs at all for the fight or flasks.

Patchwerk

Bekah · 12/08/06, 7:24 AM

Patchwerk in 2.0

1) Fire
2) Shadow
3) Fire
4-6) Unknown
7-9) Frost
10) Destro

DPS log snippet from Bekah.

• sp00n · 12/08/06, 4:28 PM

Patchwerk after the patch.

Note that between Mickey and me there are 20,000 damage difference. We are both skilled Mutilate, but Mickey received all deadly poison ticks, which resulted in 21,000 damage.

Raidwise, I am not that happy with Mutilate, think I'm gonna respec into combat and take Mutilate or Swords for levelling once BC hits.

I'm very surprised by our warlock and the shadow priest. The warlock gained about about 200 dps, similar to the shadow priest, im comparision to before the patch.

//edit
Also note that the data may very well be innacurate, since Recap still seems to have some issues.

• sp00n · 12/08/06, 4:32 PM

Double posts, oh the joy.

Gibbens · 12/08/06, 5:45 PM

warlock dps post patch, SW Stats was not counting the hunters auto shots, #24 is a hunter pet #25 is OT3.

Edit: Forgot to mention, this was Patchwerk, and Lightwells are an amazing thing.

Oth · 12/08/06, 9:58 PM

Originally Posted by Gibbens

warlock dps post patch, SW Stats was not counting the hunters auto shots, #24 is a hunter pet #25 is OT3.

Edit: Forgot to mention, this was Patchwerk, and Lightwells are an amazing thing.

1) What build was that done with?
2) How buffed were you?

Maddness · 12/08/06, 11:01 PM

Sp00n, can you be so kind as to post as to how you got ReCap working ?

I tried the basic changing the version to 20000 but I still had it throwing errors at me, and changing the version was about the limit of my programming skills :(

Elerion · 12/08/06, 11:50 PM

It's interesting seeing warriors so high still, in some cases topping the meters. Is it safe to assume that these warriors were in no way rage limited before the patch, and that they are only forced to drop a few low damage rage dumpers now?

Are the warriors that are crying about massive damage nerfs exaggerating, or is there a gear level where the rage normalization is inconsequential?

Geo · 12/08/06, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Elerion

It's interesting seeing warriors so high still, in some cases topping the meters. Is it safe to assume that these warriors were in no way rage limited before the patch, and that they are only forced to drop a few low damage rage dumpers now?

Are the warriors that are crying about massive damage nerfs exaggerating, or is there a gear level where the rage normalization is inconsequential?

Every DW fury warrior basically lost about 100 dps if they used edgemasters. Ill admit i took a dps hit but then again im used to HS spam so i need to get used to the new system and worry more about spamstring, BT and WW and throwing in rampage every now and again.

But what boggles me is that i got outdpsed by a mage on patches who still uses the DM blue staff...that isnt right by any stretch of the imagination. Also a lock was paired with a 41 point shadow priest........needless to say she destroyed everyone.

♦ Oggie · 12/09/06, 12:41 AM

Something that a couple rogues have been discussing on our boards, and there's nothing other than 'this seems wrong', is that it seems like there's a bit more average mitigation on bosses than there was, more noticable from crits.

Nobody's sure if it's just user error, a higher DR %, or some level-based resiliance, or -what-, but people are seeming to notice 'something' is up. Fire mages have been complaining as well, but that could be either the lack of rolling or the wierd crit bug w/ ignite as well as a resiliance thing.

Not meaning to post rampant speculation or anything, but if anyone's seen a real difference in numbers I'd be very interested to know why.

Elvenstein · 12/09/06, 2:21 AM

Originally Posted by Oggie

Something that a couple rogues have been discussing on our boards, and there's nothing other than 'this seems wrong', is that it seems like there's a bit more average mitigation on bosses than there was, more noticable from crits.

Nobody's sure if it's just user error, a higher DR %, or some level-based resiliance, or -what-, but people are seeming to notice 'something' is up. Fire mages have been complaining as well, but that could be either the lack of rolling or the wierd crit bug w/ ignite as well as a resiliance thing.

Not meaning to post rampant speculation or anything, but if anyone's seen a real difference in numbers I'd be very interested to know why.

I've been noticing this as well. Not sure why, but my backstab crits are a bit lower than they were prepatch.

Geo · 12/09/06, 2:26 AM

Also im standing at 18% hit (+3% from precision that isnt displayed in the tool tip) and im missing more then 6% of white attacks as well. havent found a working recap with curse being down and all but it seems im missing a whole hell of a lot

Plea · 12/09/06, 2:38 AM

Originally Posted by Elerion

It's interesting seeing warriors so high still, in some cases topping the meters. Is it safe to assume that these warriors were in no way rage limited before the patch, and that they are only forced to drop a few low damage rage dumpers now?

Are the warriors that are crying about massive damage nerfs exaggerating, or is there a gear level where the rage normalization is inconsequential?

Warriors are crying cause we dont have easymode swipe, or anything to compensate that. This is making druids better tanks at 5 mans, which are the common in beta.

Other than that, less than 10% of a fury warrior's damage is heroic strikes; rage normalization doesnt do anything to our bloodthirsts, whirlwinds or white damage, it just lets a few less heroics. Where it's ridicilous is in pvp, where you dont get the rage to ms in 1 crit, after an intercept.

Plea · 12/09/06, 3:36 AM

Pure luck Id say. I dont have the patchwerk info but I do have a 2.7k devastate on thaddius which should translate into a 1k'ish normal crit, which is the highest I had so far.

Gibbens · 12/09/06, 7:17 AM

Originally Posted by Oth

1) What build was that done with?
2) How buffed were you?

1) SM/Ruin, 3 locks and I got to CoDoom him.
2) Basic pots + Brilliant wiz oil

Liar · 12/09/06, 10:47 AM

Anyone got more SSes showing how the so called "Off Specs"? I have seen Bekah's DM at place 2 which was pretty impressive to say the least. What about the Feral Druids, Retri Palas, BM Hunters and DPS Shamans (umm, what is their DPS tree anyway, Elemental or Enhancement? >_>).

Digo · 12/09/06, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Chaotik

Loatheb tonight for us , using no world buffs at all for the fight or flasks.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2...ebaldmgpz7.jpg

Patchwerk

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3...werkdmgxx1.jpg

Zeo, how the hell is Thott doing that and where can I buy whatever he's eating for breakfast? Our hunters need some badly.

• sp00n · 12/09/06, 4:36 PM

Originally Posted by Maddness

Sp00n, can you be so kind as to post as to how you got ReCap working ?

I tried the basic changing the version to 20000 but I still had it throwing errors at me, and changing the version was about the limit of my programming skills :(

This is a version I've found somewhere on WoWInterface, before it went down. There are still some errors and I had to edit the code myself for two gfind -> gmatch.
Also it seems to have problems with abilitites and whitespaces, also I couldn't post the DPS top10 to any channel.

Anyway, if you want to test it, and since wowinterface is completely down now, you can get it here: http://sp00n.pytalhost.com/misc/Recap.WoW.2.0.rar

Originally Posted by Geo

Also im standing at 18% hit (+3% from precision that isnt displayed in the tool tip) and im missing more then 6% of white attacks as well. havent found a working recap with curse being down and all but it seems im missing a whole hell of a lot

I can second this someway. I have 15% toHit with gear, leaving me with 9% miss chance. Yet on that Patchwerk kill I missed 14,4% of my white attacks.
Also my glancing blow rate skyrocketed to 44,61% (with around 75% damage of my normal white swings). I thought it was reduced to 24%?

Type:           Amount |Average Damage |% of Attacks |% of Damage per Swing
Misses:             67 |               |      14,44% | 
Glancing Blows:    207 |        165,60 |      44,61% |   75,00%
Hits:               74 |        220,80 |      15,95% |  100,00%
Crits:             116 |        413,34 |      25,00% |  187,20%

♦ Oggie · 12/09/06, 5:10 PM

Enhancement is the PVE shaman DPS tree, and I'll have some DM logs from patch maybe..next week? We have 7 resto shaman, with 4 of them looking to be enhance (1 raid geared w/ no weapons, 2 r14 with no raid gear, 1 w/ ambition and a dkp stockpile) so we have some ugly decision-making ahead of us. From the geared but underweaponed shammy (me, heh) in BWL, I could reliably come out fairly high on the DMs, though those numbers will go down as more people sort out thier UIs/new specs/ect. The 10% AP thing, btw, with the rage normalization actually seems to be having a suprisingly large effect on warrior dps- can anyone else give feedback on this?

Recap incorrectly reports dodges as misses, FYI, so those numbers look exactly accurate- 9 +5, allowing for error.

• sp00n · 12/09/06, 5:48 PM

Originally Posted by Oggie

Recap incorrectly reports dodges as misses, FYI, so those numbers look exactly accurate- 9 +5, allowing for error.

I took those stats directly from my combatlogs.
But now that you mentioned it, I *totally* forgot to include dodges. :x

So this is how the new table looks like:

Type:        Amount | Average Damage | % of Attacks | % of Damage per Swing
Misses:          67 |                |       13.70% |
Dodges:          25 |                |        5.11% |
Glancing Blows: 207 |         165.60 |       42.33% |    75%
Hits:            74 |         220.80 |       15.13% |   100%
Crits:          116 |         413.34 |       23.72% |   187.20%

Still ~5% too many misses, still way too many glancing blows.

// Edit

If I take into account the preceding two wipes we had, it looks like this:

Type:         Amount | Average Damage | % of Attacks | % of Damage per Swing
Misses:          120 |                |       13.73% |
Dodges:           44 |                |        5.03% |
Parries:           1 |                |        0.11% |
Glancing Blows:  368 |         162.19 |       42.11% |    77.51%
Hits:            134 |         209.25 |       15.33% |   100%
Crits:           208 |         412.39 |       23.80% |   197.08%
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total:           874 |                |         100% |

Nothing major changes.

Poke · 12/09/06, 6:05 PM

Originally Posted by sp00n

Originally Posted by Geo

Also im standing at 18% hit (+3% from precision that isnt displayed in the tool tip) and im missing more then 6% of white attacks as well. havent found a working recap with curse being down and all but it seems im missing a whole hell of a lot

I can second this someway. I have 15% toHit with gear, leaving me with 9% miss chance. Yet on that Patchwerk kill I missed 14,4% of my white attacks.
Also my glancing blow rate skyrocketed to 44,61% (with around 75% damage of my normal white swings). I thought it was reduced to 24%?

The glancing blow rate has always been 40% of all white attacks. The penalty on glancing blows was reduced from 30% to 24% to partially compensate for the nerf to +skill.