Well, it's boosted somewhat by UA which has a two second cast, makes it about 160 seconds. Yeah, I have clue where that other 40 seconds went.

The values also seem off. We had Misery/5xSW/CoS on the whole fight, but his damage done looks odd. 1990 non-crits and 2500 crits?

25 seconds or so to lag (.3 seconds per cast isn't that unusual) and 15 seconds of just not casting when you were doesn't seem that unreasonable.

I've gotten frustrated at the lack of syncing of spell details in swstats. And given how wws works, it'd 'suffer' from the same thing.

It'd be so nice if you could do something with sws like configure it to sync details with your class each time when combat ends. In the end I've just bumped up the range on my combat log, and if they're not running swstats and I'm really curious, I find someone near them and ask. On gruul, that can be a challenge.

Add up the total damage done. If it doesn't add up to the total damage shown in the sync'd meters, you'll know how much damage you're missing.

Out of curiosity: no Hunters? but four Rogues? Was it a bad day for Hunter attendance, or do they suck so hard that you brought melee to replace them?

Hmm, little short on active ppl currently. So have to do with what we have We currently have _one_ active hunter, and one of the rogues ( Tigris ) just dinged 70 the other day. Still using the Fish sword from AQ and some crappy tier2 pieces.

Luckily I get to bodypull Maulgar cause of the lack of hunters \o/

Hey, even had a meleeshaman with crapgear to get some more DPS in - Currently our healers outnumber our dps - but noone really shows for raids

Sustaining over 1000dps as a ranged class with an ability like Soulshatter and Salvation isn't really that hard. Our main tank never had a TF and I've done well past 1kdps without pulling aggro. Granted, I give a little bit more lead time to allow for possible early misses, but when the fight is done I'm still doing well over 1000 "effective" dps.

However, without Salvation pulling aggro is a lot easier. Just last night we were doing Prince in Karazhan with no Paladin. I was doing ~800dps (no consumables) and I forgot to Soulshatter when I normally do. I actually pulled aggro at around 55%. We're really lucky he didn't enfeeble our tank . Thanks to Soulshatter I was able to pop it and Prince went right back to our tank.

As to Affliction Warlocks and less time spent casting: We have a lot of GCD spells in our cycles. These suffer a lot from latency. We also spend a large amount of time regaining mana. GCD for every 1600 or so mana every 15 seconds isn't uncommon.

Deadly Bossmods

Deadly Boss Mods as mentioned, specifically there are a few lines in the API.lua file that set the combat log distance. You can also directly set the values to, say, 200 yards by inserting some lines into your config.wtf:

SET CombatLogRangeCreature "200"
SET CombatDeathLogRange "200"
SET CombatLogRangeParty "200"
SET CombatLogRangePartyPet "200"
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayers "200"
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayersPets "200"
SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayers "200"
SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayersPets "200"

DBM will overwrite these distances when you run the addon though, max 150 yards unless you go in and change API.lua by hand.

Ditto. Gruul for me over 1k dps (counted over in-combat time), and we've never had a TF tank. I'm sure I can do more damage on our next kill now that I have a better feel for the rhythm of the fight, and I don't expect to pull aggro (although I had the benefit of Tranquil air, I think that only helps the beginning of the fight where you're building up a threat cushion to soulshatter against.)

TF makes it easier for sure, but it's not required.


I shattered at ~50k threat, and then again when the cooldown was up. I also dropped a bit more damage gear in favor of +hit gear to help guard against soulshatter resists than I do against the Kara bosses (where a resist isn't as much the end of the world.)

We had a lock get his first soulshatter resisted and it was a sad, sad sight. I told my group if mine resisted, I'd just afk out of the way and go out to dinner :p.

Thank you very much Morwen and i appreciate your post, i will test things and come later with news about it

I changed the combat log range from DBM Misc Options in game to be at maximum, i hope that i will be able to get data from all players now with WWS even at fights such as Gruul

These values were already in my config.wtf

SET CombatLogRangeCreature "200"
SET CombatDeathLogRange "200"
SET CombatLogRangeParty "200"
SET CombatLogRangePartyPet "200"
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayers "200"
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayersPets "200"
SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayers "200"
SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayersPets "200"

This means that the combat log range radius is set to 200 yards or im missing something?

I checked API.lua and i have found

["CombatLogValue"]

[top] 2,

And

DBM.Options.Gui.CombatLogValue

2;

But i have no ideea what the number 2 means as in yards in game, Thanks again

Depending on where each warlock is standing relative to Grull a difference of casting uptime like the one you're seeing here is entirely possible, no explanation beyond the mechanics of the fight is needed. Especially since your affliction warlocks won't have range increasing talents for their shadow bolts.

HS was definitely the issue. We went over this with the tanks and just downed him tonight on our 2nd try with no aggro problems whatsoever (first try a couple healers shattered themselves or something apparently). I was able to do 700 dps with VE on the whole time with no problems.

Yes this should be it.

And we had problems with this (4 people combat logging) when we extended logging range.
2 had same data, 2 were slightly off in own direction. So we still merge data and don't rely on single person doing the logging.

We had a hunter on top for our Gruul at 669 dps, and an undergeared elemental shaman at the bottom with 373.

Top 6 are all different classes :p hunter->priest->combat swords rogue->fire mage->affliction warlock->feral druid

Those values look okay for a lock without 21 points in destro, since without ruin crits do 150% of normal damage.

The new and "improved" Gruul offers a lot more time in stationary position, but I find myself challenged to push over 800 dps as a hunter in this encounter.
How is Hau doing on the latest kills, Praetorian?

Seems like 600 DPS is the standard from what I've seen on Gruul for ranged. Getting > 600 and especially for your Hunter at 800+ is icing on the cake. Shadow Priests help a ton though, you're right about that. I'd be curious to see how dramatic the loss of DPS for Warlocks is w/o Shadoweaving 5/5 up. A few posts up, this Warlock claims 1000+ DPS sustained for Gruul "isn't that hard", which doesn't seem right. Even with Shadoweaving, safely pulling off 1k+ sustrained seems like a pretty big leap. I certainly wouldn't call it "the norm" or "easy" at all.

1k sustained is all dots (incl CoA),shadow priest, fullpotted/flasked and a stationary spot.

at least 1k shadow gear

really depends, i am a firelock and by that dont need shadow priests as much as shadowbolt nukers, Though misery ofcuz is nice.
But anyways a 21 demon/40 destro lock has to sleep to not pull off 1k dps, ofcuz assuming you have fire mages in raid. But how often dont you have that. so really depends on spec more than anything.

As a long term warlock body puller of both flamegor and ebonroc I sympathise. I've even pulled chromagus when rogues were farting around, I just ssed myself and ran in >_>
I usually go full burn on gruul from 20 seconds into the fight so not having a shadow priest means I do 15% less damage(90% shadow then dividing by 1.15 and 1.05). I would go from best to merely okay without our lovely shadow priests.
Our first Gruul kill was very boring because gruul didn't slam or reverberate once.

The tank, miyuki and I were flasked. All the top warlocks were affliction with xelos doing coe. Without a shadow priest we would have been far closer to the mages than we were.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/1...uuldpsjbv8.jpg <- the rather more amusing kill shot with me lying dead underneath gruul's corpse. Both High king and Gruul decided to kill the MT at 1% and come kill me that day >_<

I would say the majority of locks arent afforded the luxury of saccing their pets.
Shitty but true.

I wish warlocks wouldn't see things like that. As fun as seeing huge numbes is on screen with a sacced pet, the extra health the imp brings can easily make the difference between a death and a a save on a Shatter, or a High King Whilwind, or any of the many random AE situations present in TBC content. It's not all about the damage, and warlocks now bring a very healthy amount of utility as well.
As a raid leader, when presented with fights that involve everyone taking damage at once, often randomly, I'm never more happy when I can put 3 warlocks across my raid to boost the hitpoints up of my mages / priests and other low hitpoint classes. The extra damage from a sacced pet doesn't come close to the damage the mage would put it out of they hadn't died on the first shatter, or the priests healing.