We also had a hunter who was putting out sick dps, always coming out way on top. At the end of the night we realized he had named his pet exactly like one of our rogues, and was getting that rogues' dps credited to him. Might want to check that :P (WWS is down at the moment).

That reminds me of something that happened to me pre-TBC. Idiot hunter named his pet to the same thing as the tank on Firemaw. The pet died to Firemaw's aura, the game thought for a split second that the tank had (At least, that's what I assume since that's exactly when it happened and I was waiting out the debuff), and came after me, screwing up positioning something awful.

You should watch that, because it might have unintended consequences.

Are you suggesting that intentionally letting someones pet die could be used to clear the threat of any player, should the pet be named the same as the player ? That could be interesting.

I would be incredibly surprised, to say the least, if it worked that way.

Firemaw, back in the day, liked to target random people at random times, for the heck of it.

This is not the case I don't think.

A guild on horde side that we are on friendly terms with (probably the only one on the server) had their hunters all name their pets after the main tank to piss off the healers when they died.

Eventually they stopped, but I doubt this ever worked.

Yeah, won't work, the game has internal IDs for all actors. Too bad they don't get exposed, it would make it possible to differentiate mobs that carry the same name in addons (for threat meters et al.).

For those that don't get it why healers get pissed off by doing this: Addons only get the "name dies" message and if the pet that just died is named after an MT, it may generate some effect like CTRAs "tank down" sound effect, which is rather shocking and most likely extremely unexpected.

It was probably just a Wing Buffet coinciding with the death of the pet. (doesn't wing buffet come with a frontal cone AOE, so the damage part might have killed the pet and the effect on the MT let him drop aggro enough for Firemaw to search the next target until the MT taunted back ?)

Wing Buffet does no damage - just a coincidence he buffeted at the same time as an aura tick killed the pet.

fully flasked out I'm putting out 750 DPS on gruul. I'm wondering how much of a difference is having a shaman+battleshout vs not. For gruul I didn't have either a shaman or battle shout and all this talk about rogues doing such high DPS I was wondering if thats mostly why I'm slacking.

my stats are: 170 hit rating, 1647 attack power, 27.46% crit(daggers)
Emerald ripper / gladiator's shiv

Also are there any hunters that could comment on how they dish out good DPS? Our hunters seem to never get anywhere near top ever.

Sumstab, you're going to need a lot more hit rating to put out damage numbers like that, preferably over 250. Shaman + Warrior in your group is also a huge boost, probably about 125-150 DPS (maybe more, not quite sure). Going 15/41/5 instead of 13/41/7 could also help your damage, as well as possibly a new mainhand.

With a stacked group, Ive pulled 1175 dps pot'd/flasked on Tidewalker, a 9 minute fight.

My preference in grouping priority wise, is warrior, shaman, feral druid, then hunter. Shamans are really good buffwise, but we dont have strong attendance atm with a shaman, so its hard for me to move it up on my priorities.

THis is in response to Sumstab.

Managed about 2000 dps on solarian during the non-aoe phases, obviously massively boosted by her low armour though! I had 2500dps for the first 40 seconds before she disappeared.

Oh and sumstab it seems pretty odd you aren't getting battleshout or windfury, they are a massive DPS increase. I would really question your raid leader why there is not a melee orientated group if I was you!

battle shout was because the very few DPS warriors we have weren't on. I will have bs most nights. For shaman, we had no shaman that night I wish we had more but that all depends on our applications to the guild and if they meet the requirements=/.

For 2.1 I was wondering what all of your thoughts of hit rating would be good. Obviously because of the consumable nerf the high attack power boost will smaller. 170 is still too low, I was thinking around low 200.

Then I'm hoping you're counting that shaman as non-enhancement?

I am currently using 275 hit rating with my gear at the moment, and I feel that it is even more important now then it was pre-TBC. If you are using combat potency you will definately be wanting to maximise the chance of your offhand hitting, aswell as the fact that white damage makes up around 60-65% of most combat Rogue's damage. I love that fact that in bossfights I only have around 1.5% miss rate.

Possibly the best way to cure a low hit rating is two pick up the two piece wastewalker bonus, in fact I would recommend this in nearly every gear setup at the moment - at least until the patch arrives.

tbh, I dont really care how the shaman is spec'd. It may sound wierd, but the base buffs I get out of a couple of totems is enough for me, he can spec anyway the rest of the raid needs.

Oh I have, and it is quite nice. What I am getting at is unleashed raged, and other talents, are a pure bonus. The minimum I want is windfury and soe. Those two buffs, untalented, bring more dps to the table for me, than any other classes group buffs. With unleashed rage, and the gear Im running, Ive hit highs of 3400ish ap, and it was quite impressive.

Currently we are looking at starting Astromancer, we have killed all but Vashj in Serpentshire, we have killed voidreaver, I think our next will be Astromancer.
The further we go, the more I notice something, I had previously ignored. While group makeup makes a huge difference to my dps, it doesnt always make a huge difference to raid dps. If we drop a shadow priest in our 3 warlock runs, and take a melee friendly shaman instead, in our 3 rogue runs, our total dps doesnt change by a huge amount, but my personal dps jumps 150-200. I havent analyzed things well enough I imagine, but when I see things like this, I get less picky on specs. A healing shaman who can supplement my dps with a couple of totems, and not have aggro issues/dps issue because he is healing, if often good enough for me.

You would be suprised how many raidleaders there are that dont have a clue about anything but their own class.

Our main RL is a Warlock and he had our best Enhanc Shaman (and only raiding one) respec Elemental; yet we have already 2 other elemental Shamans. His given reason is because "there are more caster groups than melee". Regardless of the fact that in any raid there is usually only one stacked group of melee and one of ranged dps.

We have yet to take anything but a sole Resto Shaman to Magtheridon; yet he brings only 2 Rogues, no DPS Wars (I had to respec Prot just to get a raidslot) and 4+ Mages.

I'm about done with this server, anyone looking for a raider? I swear as time goes on people get stupider.

(There's a few reasons I left for Ysera with Defiant, and you covered at least one of them.)


Sometimes the reasoning follows what Surion pointed out, people just don't understand what an Enhancement shaman can do.

I find that if your raid leader is worth his position, he'll try stacking a melee group on at least farmed content. Low risk, and a good chance to show it's worth doing. If the leader refuses to try new things, however... I'm not sure what to tell you, as that's the leader's job, right?

We know its worth doing, we do it on stuff like Kazzak/Doom; and coincidentally melee tops the meters. Funny enough they still top the meters on most other fights (Mag is no contest for Rogues). Hell on Hydross using the single target method with a stacked melee group with Enhanc Shaman I came out on top. Humorously it was our first night on him and the one raid that RL missed.

The problem is too many people care about their own DPS (hence he sticks himself/other locks in the ShPriest+Ele Sham group instead of Fire Mages); instead of group synergy.

Note: Cel sometimes I wish I hadn't ever come back to Durotan and just continued playing Horde, or done like most of Defiant + Others and Xfered off as a group.

I am naming my cat Khazal, Wodin, or Stion RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

I'll win DMs all over the place!

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