You're making blanket statements, which is basically what I'm trying to fight. Sure, maybe in this one example I'd be the one to benefit, but I'd be just as happy if another warrior get the BP too, because then it's getting some use. What I don't want people doing is looking at an item and seeing "leather" and automatically assigning it to rogue or druid. It's the same situation with with Striker's Mark and Blastershot Launcher. If you just look at those items alone, you see their epic ranged weapons, gotta default it to the hunters, right? Then you take into consideration that the leaf and sinew are very high droprates, and any guild that has strikers or blastershot dropping should, if not right away, be killing Onyxia and Domo. So in that situation, give priority to dps melees because the hunters are going to get their epic quest bow pretty soon anyway.

Do you see my point? No, I don't want leather dps items defaulted to warriors after the rogues. I want the raid leaders to assess the situation at hand and see who would get the most use out of it. I'm tired of seeing upgrades go to other people just because "it's not for my class". 3 times I've given up Runed Bloodstained Hauberk, twice to alts, and once to a hunter who has now sold it for GS chest. How does that make any sense? We started doing ZG after we had most of MC on farm mode. The better upgrade was there for hunters, yet they wouldn't let me have this chest.

I had to wait after 2 rogues got CHT for their offhand before I could bid on one. Don't tell me they're dagger rogues, it's all they can use. Please point me out a better offhand from MC for fury warriors. I'd also like things like damage meters to determine one's worthiness in gear upgrades. If you're a combat daggers rogue with PB/CHT and almost full NS, and you're coming in below top ten in an MC clear, I don't think you deserve that dagger upgrade over other dps melees that do more damage than you with worse gear.

Actually, I don't think anyone thinks that.

Anyway, seems to me that the Bulwark does more good on a druid, feral specced or not, who may one day be needed for tanking. A warrior has a plethora of melee oriented plate and mail gear available. Druids do not.

No. Try Edgemasters, Bracers of Brutality/Wristguards of Vengeance, and BP of Annihilation.

You're doing exactly what I'm talking about. You think druid is more entitled because a warrior has a "plethora" of options available. Did you even read the details of the situation? That's the whole point. Yes, if I had Runed Bloodstained Hauberk or PvP chestplate, this wouldn't be a problem. But in my situation, in a guild that's working on Nef, runs ZG on offdays(if that), where are those plethora of options? And lets not forget, the druids don't tank in my guild. I tried suggesting it for Broodlord, the druids laughed at me and the warriors were offended.

I find it funny you think it's ok for dps warriors to tank hunter/shaman mail, but druid leather is off limits.

I'm glad not everyone thinks that about ranged weapons. You should try talking to our hunters. Damn near crucified me after I asked if I could roll on a Striker's Mark.

You could get 12 people together and go kill the snake boss a couple times a week. A druid's never going to be able to cram himself into mail or plate.

If a person wants the bloodstained runed hauberk bad enough there is no reason that person cant get a raid together. Just post on the server forum that you want to organize ZG runs. Go do snake first and do bloodlord after that do what you have time for but those can be pugged very easy so even if your raid has no interest in ZG(shouldnt happen cause the enchants are still the best out there till people are killing sapphiron). You can easily get those 2 bosses down in an hours time. If you are motivated enough you can do it.

And I have to question why a warrior isnt willing to put work in to get stuff appropriate for their class. Honestly if a warrior is going to be grabbing leather items I might as well get another rogue. Their benefit of being able to take a few shots without getting destroyed is lost. You asked what you should do cause your raid doesnt have the time to spend in ZG getting you the chest off the snake and I told you what you can do. Heck I dont think warriors should be going after mail even but it is better then leather.

the logic is that the snake chest piece is available to warriors, but not druids, it's attainable by 15 people and not 40, it takes 10 minutes to clear to the boss instead of two hours, and you get 2 shots at it per week instead of 1.

Where's the logic in giving malfurions chest to a warrior, when 2 weeks later they'll ditch it for the skeram chest, a couple months after that for the Conquerer's chest, and a couple months after that for the Thaddius chest?

Back when MC was the only instance out there, there was a real shortage of DPS plate. But that's no longer the case. We have a lot of options, and a lot of very well itemized options.

Oh, and brutality blade is > corehound tooth. BB is basically the best available OH until the pugio.

Due to the presence of the Rhok and the way hunter mechanics and aimed shot and stuff are, its rather stupid to give something like a Striker's Mark to them. But if the Rhok didn't exist hunters would probably go after many of the epic ranged weapons warriors go after.

oh and technically warriors primary role is to tank. DPS is a secondary role that they do very well. Just like a feral druid can be a solid tank under certain circumstances.

Shoot, I hope the druids dont notice this.

oh yeah, the friggen Skeram chest. Just get your damn guild to spend half an hour killing Skeram. If you can get to Nef, you can kill Skeram, and that chest piece is sick.

Nonsense... Any tank who isn't tanking's primary role is DPS - which means most of the time most tank's have a primary role of doing DPS... some almost fulltime minus 1-2 bosses. You're making a blanket statement that is clearly fight dependant.

How many fights are you better off having your druids in feral over a rogue instead of healing... C'Thun phase 2?

hmm, if only you could wear some sort of armor that offered great protection.

I dont understand why guilds abandon spending 30-60 mins to do a boss that gives alot of nice warrior gear just cause they haven't killed nef. Figure out a day that is light. Maybe create a day that is like nef attempts, first 2 bosses in MC and prophet skeram. Maybe it is just me but I try to keep my raid from spending more than 3 hours wiping on anything and those other 2 things would be 2 hours max and that is including travel. But maybe 5 hours is too much for people. That being said that gear from skeram will make other fights easier.

oh the irony. the delicious, delicious irony.

well now we are getting into symantecs here. I realize that if a warrior is not tanking they are DPSing but if you are lacking warriors and all the warriors you have in the raid happen to be arms/fury warriors are you going to have them all DPSing or are some of them going to be tanking? I believe that each class has a primary role and multiple secondary roles and that the game was designed around that. Ofcourse there are certain fights where those secondary roles are handy and that is where you use your specialists but classes have 1 primary role imo. Please dont think I am saying that people cant use the secondary roles or arent useful in them I just feel they are secondary. If you look at warriors versus rogues in melee DPS rogues if gear and skill is equal the rogue should always come out ahead. Warrior DPS is useful for their survivability but that comes back to warriors primary roles as tanks. You start gearing warriors in leather and they become pretty worthless imo.

This is exactly what I mean. Everyone makes these blanket statements. There's situations(drakes and chromaggus) where I can beat rogues of equal skill and gear(probably better gear). In cases like this, you can't just write off leather gear to the druids that rogues don't want. I mean, if we're all hopped up on alternatives that I could go get instead of taking this leather BP, why not try this example? These same feral druids that have priority in my guild on the BP, also are trying to argue for priority on Boots of the Shadow Flame. Obviously, the rogue have alternatives of NS and BF boots, but in this case, the alternatives are worse, just like my plate BP alternatives right now are worse. So what would you do? Give it to the rogues or give it to the druids first?

If stamina is a problem, simply go Lionheart Helm > Helm of Wrath. 500+ hp. Or in your case, those greens > might pieces.

Okay, so druids arent allowed to DPS in your raids - you do realize there is life outside the raid?

If Malfurion's is the difference between you winning or wiping at Nef - I got news for you, your guild has much bigger problems than where that particular piece of loot is going.

This argument is silly. Rogues and Druids share the same armor choices -- that is, leather. The boots should be going to a rogue first of course, as their only job, period, is to DPS in the raid. You, on the other hand, may DPS but what's to say that down the road you may need to tank? What about if you have to pick something up mid fight? You're going to look pretty silly wearing leather items.

The fact that druids have priority on the BP is because it's leather and they DON'T have alternatives. You do, eventually. They do not.

And I wouldn't use it outside raids either?

It was just a small example of what may be a larger problem like you mentioned. The larger point I was trying to make was we kill the current bosses to gear up so we can tackle harder content. Hard to do that when they're giving dps gear away to people who won't use it on raid content.

EDIT: response to your second post. You proved my point, my purpose on raids is to dps. Sure, I might have to pick up an add once in a while(after the other 3 dps warriors have died), let's weigh that in comparison with a constant upgrade to my dps and health...

Or you could be a good warrior, put on a god damn breastplate of might (or wrath) which has more stamina and armor than malfurions, and has fire resist which does offer protection against the things you losted, and you can also tank loose felguards.

You can then give malfurions to the druids for when you DO need them to tank something and your guild is better prepared for future encounters.

Eventually you will be in AQ40, and you'll be able to get much better DPS plate, while the druids will have good tanking gear and can tank post emps trash and sartura's adds and everyone's happy